Norwegian B737 Pilot selection (Updated)
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Absolute bull. I flew with a guy in senior management a week or two ago. They are very happy with FR guys according to him. Apparently there is an average of one or two guys who fail each OCC course. However I believe no FR guy or girl has ever failed. The failures are from people who have come from other airlines for one reason or another, mainly bad attitude I was told.
As regards balls and getting organised, 98 percent of HEL base is organised and BALPA are on board at LGW with all the guys I know.
FR guys with bad handling skills?
They seemed quite pleased with mine and that of the 12 colleagues on my course.
Sorry to shoot you down in flames but your talking absolute nonsense.
As regards balls and getting organised, 98 percent of HEL base is organised and BALPA are on board at LGW with all the guys I know.
FR guys with bad handling skills?
They seemed quite pleased with mine and that of the 12 colleagues on my course.
Sorry to shoot you down in flames but your talking absolute nonsense.
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There is a lot of trouble in Norwegian (DY) this days, with working conflicts and strikes going on. No one really know which direction this goes into. Now it's also a possible conflict starting in Helsinki, between pilots and management. Someone told me that management want the FO's down 7 % and Commanders down 20-27 %, from a already low pay scale.
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GAF15 you are shooting the messenger here, I am just reporting what my sources inside the company tell me.
To be more precise I was told that they are happy with the way FR guys fly with the automatics on but less happy with their manual handling skills and they are therefore being more demanding during the selection process.
As far as union strength if what you say is correct I am very pleased, union membership and commitment to fighting for what is right aren't really typical attributes you find in FR.....
To be more precise I was told that they are happy with the way FR guys fly with the automatics on but less happy with their manual handling skills and they are therefore being more demanding during the selection process.
As far as union strength if what you say is correct I am very pleased, union membership and commitment to fighting for what is right aren't really typical attributes you find in FR.....
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50 . . . . . . + replacements for the ones that Slope Off to SAS /Emirates etc, having realised that colour blindness is not only available in the Red/Green variety,
but the more serious Red/ Blue & Yellow too.
but the more serious Red/ Blue & Yellow too.
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NPU have indicated they are looking to strike in sympathy with the Norwegian/Danish CC Union (both being under the umbrella of PARAT one of the biggest Scandi Unions.)
Nice to see people having the balls & foresight to stand together against bullying.
It is really time Bjorn Kjos picked up & reread Herb Kellehers autobiog, he used to subscribe to the same ideas . . . until some idiot handed him O' Leary's Bio (along with a copy of his bank balance
) to read.
Nice to see people having the balls & foresight to stand together against bullying.
It is really time Bjorn Kjos picked up & reread Herb Kellehers autobiog, he used to subscribe to the same ideas . . . until some idiot handed him O' Leary's Bio (along with a copy of his bank balance
) to read.
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HEL guys ready for action as well. Capt Playstation I wouldn't go back to FR. Not a hope. Norwegian is a good company and a good place to be. All we have to do is keep it that way. Ryanair is not a nice place to be IMHO of course, and it never will be with a company ethos like they have IMHO.
Here we have colleagues that are willing to fight collectively. Not like FR were most are just passive and looking to move on.
No colour blindness for me. I'm glad to be here and even more glad to be out of FR. I'm very encouraged by the reaction of my colleagues to the way management have set about things.
If they want a war. It looks like they have got one.
Here we have colleagues that are willing to fight collectively. Not like FR were most are just passive and looking to move on.
No colour blindness for me. I'm glad to be here and even more glad to be out of FR. I'm very encouraged by the reaction of my colleagues to the way management have set about things.
If they want a war. It looks like they have got one.
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Don't suggest for one minute that anybody is better off in Ryanair than NAS. The opportunity to take serious action in support of your grievances still exists in NAS. You are at the mercy of a certain extremely unsympathetic CEO in Ryanair.
Fight your corner at NAS and I'm sure it can be a great place to work.
Fight your corner at NAS and I'm sure it can be a great place to work.
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That might have been the case back in 2008, but not today. Several ex FR wants to go back, thats how it is today. If you think Norwegians CEO is better than MoL you are very misinformed.
All of us who left are willing to fight to keep this company a good place to be !
Things are still a lot different from Ryr here. We have the will and the tools to fight for our rights.
But if you want to leave please go ahead... We wont let the same
happen in Norwegian.
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Easy now guys,
I have worked for both. Don't forget when Ryanair had around 70-80 Aircraft it was actually quite a good place to work. The Brookfield contract was quite new and paid well. As the mass expansion continued Ryanair became worse and worse, every year until it reached the state that its in now.
I agree NAS is a far better workplace, but for how long? Yes I'm up for fighting to keep it that way, but how? we're only contractors at the moment?
The NAS management have made it very obvious which way they want to move forward. This Helsinki contract is an absolute joke. NAS long haul are still waiting to hear if the US DOT will even approve their US rights as they believe they're manipulating the open skies agreement, which to be quite honest I think they are. NAS long haul pilots on Singapore contracts, paying tax through LTD companies? hmm where have I heard that before?
I pray that NAS can stay like it is, and that the company turn around and say hey guys only joking with that ridiculous offer, here's the real one. But I don't think it'll play out like that. People don't let pride get in the way of reality, this place reminds me of a company I was in that had around the same amount of aircraft that were engaged in mass expansion..
Stick together and lets see where this leads.
I have worked for both. Don't forget when Ryanair had around 70-80 Aircraft it was actually quite a good place to work. The Brookfield contract was quite new and paid well. As the mass expansion continued Ryanair became worse and worse, every year until it reached the state that its in now.
I agree NAS is a far better workplace, but for how long? Yes I'm up for fighting to keep it that way, but how? we're only contractors at the moment?
The NAS management have made it very obvious which way they want to move forward. This Helsinki contract is an absolute joke. NAS long haul are still waiting to hear if the US DOT will even approve their US rights as they believe they're manipulating the open skies agreement, which to be quite honest I think they are. NAS long haul pilots on Singapore contracts, paying tax through LTD companies? hmm where have I heard that before?
I pray that NAS can stay like it is, and that the company turn around and say hey guys only joking with that ridiculous offer, here's the real one. But I don't think it'll play out like that. People don't let pride get in the way of reality, this place reminds me of a company I was in that had around the same amount of aircraft that were engaged in mass expansion..
Stick together and lets see where this leads.
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To save you reading endless pages on this subject.
It all very simply a basic PC check really, not looking for Chuck Yeager flying skill, your inter-personal skills, attitude and CRM are are far more important, tech exam will be basic stuff, if you don't know say so don't BS, if you have the right attitude we can train the rest. If you know the NG then VNAV/LNAV for the single engine NAP is fine A/P available for most of test, you'll be sent profile before sim...learn it in your mind eyes closed
Good luck see you in training
It all very simply a basic PC check really, not looking for Chuck Yeager flying skill, your inter-personal skills, attitude and CRM are are far more important, tech exam will be basic stuff, if you don't know say so don't BS, if you have the right attitude we can train the rest. If you know the NG then VNAV/LNAV for the single engine NAP is fine A/P available for most of test, you'll be sent profile before sim...learn it in your mind eyes closed
Good luck see you in training
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And I´ve been in both companies and now in NAS for the last 2 months. I can assure you that there are few captains wanting to go back to RYR and that is including me.
A bit nicer yes but trust me it is the same s... only that loosing millions of Euros. Really not worth the effort.
A bit nicer yes but trust me it is the same s... only that loosing millions of Euros. Really not worth the effort.
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Could you maybe elaborate why you would prefer FR? It just doesnt seem to compute why you would want to go back to primary school on a zero hr contract or a permanent contract where on the contractor one atleast the hirer can terminate your contract if they "decide to exclude you from their premises" with no form of representation at all in order to make things better or prevent them getting worse like you have in NAS!! I mean WTF!! The only thing worth staying at FR for is the 5/4 roster!! Oh and the sim notes they hand out so noone fails a check!! It might not be all rosey at NAS either but it cudnt honestly be that bad that you need to return to the of the world?!! It honestly beggers belief that anyone wud choose to go back there, but I would love to hear why as I am contemplating the move myself before I self destruct!!!!!
P.s primary school as in how they treat and talk to us like small school children!
Could you maybe elaborate why you would prefer FR? It just doesnt seem to compute why you would want to go back to primary school on a zero hr contract or a permanent contract where on the contractor one atleast the hirer can terminate your contract if they "decide to exclude you from their premises" with no form of representation at all in order to make things better or prevent them getting worse like you have in NAS!! I mean WTF!! The only thing worth staying at FR for is the 5/4 roster!! Oh and the sim notes they hand out so noone fails a check!! It might not be all rosey at NAS either but it cudnt honestly be that bad that you need to return to the
of the world?!! It honestly beggers belief that anyone wud choose to go back there, but I would love to hear why as I am contemplating the move myself before I self destruct!!!!!P.s primary school as in how they treat and talk to us like small school children!
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Nobody ever said NAS was a legacy airline and nobody should have joined expecting BA but Jedy I think you are wrong to suggest NAS is the same "" as Ryanair.
You would be correct if you said NAS COULD be or WILL become Ryanair. Conditions will go south if those joining from Ryanair haven't learnt to show some self respect and stand up for their basic rights and our profession.
NAS is low cost and it doesn't deny it. However NAS has a basing system and a basic salary providing a steady income 12 months of the year. That is two of the biggest complaints in Ryanair solved. The culture is my experience far more modern and better to work in. At least they don't be grudge me a bottle of water and a tea bag like the ryanair management. The vast majority, 90% plus of the guys I have met who joined from Ryanair are happy with their move.
To suggest NAS is the same as Ryanair is fundamentally wrong on your part. Individual situations will always mean some airlines suit some people but the general comment from most Ryanair guys is that they are happy to have departed Ryanair. If Ryanair suited you better they will take you back so feel free to call them. I know where I would rather gamble my future.
Many of the guys I speak with have learned and I think the formation of NASPA by former Ryanair Pilots is testament to that. Time will tell if enough Ryanair guys have learnt their lesson or if they have just changed the colour of the aircraft in order to continue to moan but never take a stand.
" as Ryanair. You would be correct if you said NAS COULD be or WILL become Ryanair. Conditions will go south if those joining from Ryanair haven't learnt to show some self respect and stand up for their basic rights and our profession.
NAS is low cost and it doesn't deny it. However NAS has a basing system and a basic salary providing a steady income 12 months of the year. That is two of the biggest complaints in Ryanair solved. The culture is my experience far more modern and better to work in. At least they don't be grudge me a bottle of water and a tea bag like the ryanair management. The vast majority, 90% plus of the guys I have met who joined from Ryanair are happy with their move.
To suggest NAS is the same
as Ryanair is fundamentally wrong on your part. Individual situations will always mean some airlines suit some people but the general comment from most Ryanair guys is that they are happy to have departed Ryanair. If Ryanair suited you better they will take you back so feel free to call them. I know where I would rather gamble my future.Many of the guys I speak with have learned and I think the formation of NASPA by former Ryanair Pilots is testament to that. Time will tell if enough Ryanair guys have learnt their lesson or if they have just changed the colour of the aircraft in order to continue to moan but never take a stand.
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Well said Widebdy!
You forgot about the bit where they you off downroute somewhere where you have to find yer own way, accommodation, transport, food after you've followed a set of rules just to jumpseat which if abused our "privledge" will be withdrawn!!! Hang on, privilege?? You mean necessity!!! Do they expect us to drive?? Its so hard to explain how big a bunch of they are in the higher echelons!
I do feel tho that all the talk about the FR guys having balls etc to stand up for themselves is a little harsh, its appears a lot on here, you sound like you've been there so should understand, its not that they wont stand up for themselves, they just don't have the means to!! It would be the same in any airline, with no union what are we supposed to do?? Stick yer head above the pulpit and you'll get shot!! People have mortgages to pay, its too risky, get a union involved or a majority body like NAS and anyone would happily stand up for their rights because you have the protection you need! FR boys going to NAS wont dilute the power to fight that is certain, we have been longing for that ability for years, they will relish in it!! They will jus have to ignore all the little details that make NAS 100 times better than FR and get over the novelty of how nice it is compared to what they're used to and think things are great in NAS so no need to fight! I cant see that happening though! The fact they have grew balls n off from FR shows they do value their career and have took steps to better it, its just that until that at the top or FR leaves its a lost cause!!! Just sayin
You forgot about the bit where they
you off downroute somewhere where you have to find yer own way, accommodation, transport, food after you've followed a set of rules just to jumpseat which if abused our "privledge" will be withdrawn!!! Hang on, privilege?? You mean necessity!!! Do they expect us to drive?? Its so hard to explain how big a bunch of they are in the higher echelons! I do feel tho that all the talk about the FR guys having balls etc to stand up for themselves is a little harsh, its appears a lot on here, you sound like you've been there so should understand, its not that they wont stand up for themselves, they just don't have the means to!! It would be the same in any airline, with no union what are we supposed to do?? Stick yer head above the pulpit and you'll get shot!! People have mortgages to pay, its too risky, get a union involved or a majority body like NAS and anyone would happily stand up for their rights because you have the protection you need! FR boys going to NAS wont dilute the power to fight that is certain, we have been longing for that ability for years, they will relish in it!! They will jus have to ignore all the little details that make NAS 100 times better than FR and get over the novelty of how nice it is compared to what they're used to and think things are great in NAS so no need to fight! I cant see that happening though! The fact they have grew balls n
off from FR shows they do value their career and have took steps to better it, its just that until that at the top or FR leaves its a lost cause!!! Just sayin
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Guys and galls,
I don't think anyone is seriously trying to compare our current conditions to FR. Seriously, so lets put that one to bed. The question is in which direction are we going? that to me is clear. 25% reductions in salaries across the board and only 9 Guaranteed days off a month, that is what is being "offered"/ Forced upon the Helsinki crowd, the majority of scando cabin crew ready to strike, not to mention getting a nasty text message at 2230 hrs threatening to sack them if they strike , i'm sorry but WTF?
If I was a FR skipper, in a base that suites, I might think long and hard about this move. Especially if your on the old Brookfield contract and are happy with your tax affairs. I know, because I was in this boat.
At the moment I wouldn't hesitate to recommend NAS to my old chum's, But I am rather concerned about this Helsinki business. Would one of the true believers please reassure me that it'll be fine and that nasty contract wont make it across the North sea??
Oh and the comment about needing a union to represent the Ryanair guys, eh been there and got the T-shirt it ended up very nasty. BALPA are simply not geared up to take on the FR machine.
It might be worth remembering that the Helsinki pilots have representation, and they've got an uphill battle on their hands. In Lgw they don't, so who is going to run to there rescue?
I sincerely hope I'm wrong and this place stays the same. Finger crossed not just for us, but for the wider industry.
I don't think anyone is seriously trying to compare our current conditions to FR. Seriously, so lets put that one to bed. The question is in which direction are we going? that to me is clear. 25% reductions in salaries across the board and only 9 Guaranteed days off a month, that is what is being "offered"/ Forced upon the Helsinki crowd, the majority of scando cabin crew ready to strike, not to mention getting a nasty text message at 2230 hrs threatening to sack them if they strike , i'm sorry but WTF?
If I was a FR skipper, in a base that suites, I might think long and hard about this move. Especially if your on the old Brookfield contract and are happy with your tax affairs. I know, because I was in this boat.
At the moment I wouldn't hesitate to recommend NAS to my old chum's, But I am rather concerned about this Helsinki business. Would one of the true believers please reassure me that it'll be fine and that nasty contract wont make it across the North sea??
Oh and the comment about needing a union to represent the Ryanair guys, eh been there and got the T-shirt it ended up very nasty. BALPA are simply not geared up to take on the FR machine.
It might be worth remembering that the Helsinki pilots have representation, and they've got an uphill battle on their hands. In Lgw they don't, so who is going to run to there rescue?
I sincerely hope I'm wrong and this place stays the same. Finger crossed not just for us, but for the wider industry.
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Anyone who thinks NAS is the same as FR needs to get their head checked.
Some observations since I joined NAS:
1. Basic salary. In FR I had none.
2. Paid annual leave. In FR I had none.
3. Transparent basing system. In FR there was no system IMHO.
4. Seniority list. In FR none.
5. Crew food. In FR none.
6. As much tea coffee and bottled water as you want during your duties.. In FR none
7. Union recognition. In FR none.
8. Uniform crew bags etc which are provided by the company at a cost of just over 1100 pounds sterling. In FR none.
9. ACARS/CPDLC. in FR there was none.
10. Electronic Flight Bag. In FR none. The First Officer lumbers around a big trip kit. The EFB makes life so much easier with performance, flight plans etc.
11. Weather radar that has auto tilt. In FR standard one fitted.
12. Standbys paid. In FR I had none.
13. Medical and licence renewal paid. In FR not provided for me.
14. Hotel at the sim provided. In FR not provided for me.
15. Hotel provided when out of base. In FR not provided for me.
16. Loss of Licence. In FR I had none.
17. Sky interior. In FR awful interior IMHO.
18. Short field performance 737 with carbon brakes. In FR standard model.
19. Night stops in some nice places and some not so nice. Variety. In FR none.
20. ID travel. In FR I had none
21. Commuting to and from base via S2 tickets which are booked via a simple SMS booking system on your phone that takes about 10 seconds to do. Pick your allocated seat. Travel in civilian clothes. Bottle of water/ tea coffee provided. Turn on your laptop and turn on your WIFI. More legroom than in standard 737 with reclining Recaro seats. All small things you might think but add up to make a big big difference to the commute.
In FR commuting is in uniform where you turn up at the gate and will be the last one to board the aircraft. No allocated seat,endless sales PAs to endure and lovely bright fluorescent lights to keep you awake in your cramped seat.
22. Airport ID provided and paid for. In FR at my own cost.
23. Car parking provided. In FR none.
There is so many more things but I can't think of them all right now.
Ok management are trying to cut terms and conditions but they are being met with fierce resistance unlike FR. And long may it continue by the way.
jedy are you actually insane? That's a genuine question by the way.
I would hazard a guess that you were one of those passive types in FR that didn't engage in the RPG and didn't have any interest in getting union recognition and better terms and conditions. Am I right?
If I am right it's people like you that we don't need here IMHO. There is a career here that's worth fighting for.
I hope you get back into FR. Don't forget to pack your lunch and bring a tea bag
Some observations since I joined NAS:
1. Basic salary. In FR I had none.
2. Paid annual leave. In FR I had none.
3. Transparent basing system. In FR there was no system IMHO.
4. Seniority list. In FR none.
5. Crew food. In FR none.
6. As much tea coffee and bottled water as you want during your duties.. In FR none
7. Union recognition. In FR none.
8. Uniform crew bags etc which are provided by the company at a cost of just over 1100 pounds sterling. In FR none.
9. ACARS/CPDLC. in FR there was none.
10. Electronic Flight Bag. In FR none. The First Officer lumbers around a big trip kit. The EFB makes life so much easier with performance, flight plans etc.
11. Weather radar that has auto tilt. In FR standard one fitted.
12. Standbys paid. In FR I had none.
13. Medical and licence renewal paid. In FR not provided for me.
14. Hotel at the sim provided. In FR not provided for me.
15. Hotel provided when out of base. In FR not provided for me.
16. Loss of Licence. In FR I had none.
17. Sky interior. In FR awful interior IMHO.
18. Short field performance 737 with carbon brakes. In FR standard model.
19. Night stops in some nice places and some not so nice. Variety. In FR none.
20. ID travel. In FR I had none
21. Commuting to and from base via S2 tickets which are booked via a simple SMS booking system on your phone that takes about 10 seconds to do. Pick your allocated seat. Travel in civilian clothes. Bottle of water/ tea coffee provided. Turn on your laptop and turn on your WIFI. More legroom than in standard 737 with reclining Recaro seats. All small things you might think but add up to make a big big difference to the commute.
In FR commuting is in uniform where you turn up at the gate and will be the last one to board the aircraft. No allocated seat,endless sales PAs to endure and lovely bright fluorescent lights to keep you awake in your cramped seat.
22. Airport ID provided and paid for. In FR at my own cost.
23. Car parking provided. In FR none.
There is so many more things but I can't think of them all right now.
Ok management are trying to cut terms and conditions but they are being met with fierce resistance unlike FR. And long may it continue by the way.
jedy are you actually insane? That's a genuine question by the way.
I would hazard a guess that you were one of those passive types in FR that didn't engage in the RPG and didn't have any interest in getting union recognition and better terms and conditions. Am I right?
If I am right it's people like you that we don't need here IMHO. There is a career here that's worth fighting for.
I hope you get back into FR. Don't forget to pack your lunch and bring a tea bag
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