Lufthansa Italia recruitment

[NAVEX320]

28/01

Hi Pec00,

Depending on your time of arrival at the hotel, we could meet at about 19h30. Try to connect your computer on the forum. At worst, we could plan in advance a meeting point somewhere, maybe at the reception desk of my hotel ?!

Other guys going for the 28/01 DLR interested in meeting each other to have the dinner together are welcome.

Cheers

[NAVEX320]

DutchDutch

Hi DD,

Congratulations to you for the DLR. For my part, I am going in Hamburg the 28/01.

Any info to share with us regarding the test. Any surprise, new tests, new ATPL(A) questions...

How did you consider the difficulty level of the different test ?
VMC: same symbol than those in the training software ?
ROT: level 3 ? , slowly increasing ?

What about the personality questions ? No particular info to signal ?

Thanks in advance for your help.

For the sim, as you certainly know, I greatly encourage you to do some B737 prior to going for the assessment ! (especially if you don't have any jet experience)

Cheers

[dirk85]

Hi everyone!

Just to inform you that I didnt make it at the SIM assessment.

Good luck to anyone still in!

Bye

PS: I will not answer to any PM regarding the sim, so dont bother to write me.
I will answer you here, so that anyone can see, if you really need.

[NAVEX320]

Hi Dirk 85,

I thought you were invited for the sim next week.

I am really disappointed for you !!

Thanks a lot again for you help regarding the DLR. I hope you will have great opportunities within the coming months.

Bye

PS: do you have any idea why it went wrong at the sim ,

[DutchDutch]

To Navex320:
VMC was harder than I expected for 1 simple reason, they use new images which are harder to remember! (especially if you found yourself finally adapted to the ones you practice with using the DLR software.)
Cube rotation did not reach level 3, they start really slow and increase in speed up to a speed which is between level 2 & 3!!

basically the similarity between the DLR software and the real test is 95%.............
They also ask a lot of other questions (personality questions) , which I think are needed to sketch a image of what kind of person you are. It’s not difficult, just be yourself and answer the first thing what comes up in your mind because there’s a time limit! (they will tell you the same thing at DLR)

I slept at motel one, great room and great breakfast! The hotel is only 1 year old and everything looks new! (Ibis is cheaper but I heard complaints from other participants about that hotel)
I don’t have a date for my simulator session yet!

To dirk85:
I am truly sorry for you! I have read all your comments regarding this topic and I always found it very helpful to read your replies to others, thank you for that! I would greatly appreciate it if you could share your simulator experience with me and the rest of the forum!

Does anybody know where I can find a 737-300 simulator, so I can practice before my assement!
I appreciate it!
Cheers!

[NAVEX320]

Hi DD,

Thank you very much for your swift and detailed reply, this is very kind of you !

Good news for the ROT because only Level 3 cause me some trouble if not perfectly rested ! Not so good for VMC, because my results are very good with the training software, but with new symbols ...??!!

With regard to the personality questionnaires, did you find that they make use of a lot of idioms that a non native english speaker could possibly misunderstand ?

I will also stay at the Motel One, obviously, my choice is the good one !

Concerning the B737sim, I may tell you that two years ago, the Sabena Flight Academy TRTO (Bruxelles, Belgium) had one sim because I flew it prior to beginning my A320 TR. Not sure they still have it. You could have a look at their website if not already done: Sabena Flight Academy

I wish you the best for the incoming phase.

Cheers

[dirk85]

The SIM itself is not difficult, no abnormals or emergencies. On the paper its indeed quite straightforward.
But they can make it a hell.

No AP, no flight director, no autothrottle. Do not plan on any help from your PNF: he is not going to do almost anything. He will not even call for positive rate, for the minima, etc. He will answer to the radio, but he will not even change the frequency if you dont tell him to do so.
I was in HAM, out of runway 23. North departure, based on 2 NDB.
Variometric climbs and descents, steep turns, then direct to a VOR for the holding (figure out the entry in less than 10 seconds, and expect climbs and descents in the meanwhile), one round with relative wind corrections, and other climbs/descents. 3 vectors and you are already on final ready for the ILS, hand over the controls to the PNF, but be ready to take it back when instructed to climb or descent or turn: he will only keep the plane level. Set up the frequency and do a briefing in less than 45 seconds. I was vectored at 9 miles, glide already in when on the loc, but still ok.
Go around at about 30/40 feet AGL, standard missed approach, and again after no more than 15 miles I was already on final for an NDB 23.
Good visibility, normal landing.

I was quite rusty at the beginning, I really improved a lot during the session, but I wasn't precise enough during the navigation in their opinion. I admit the departure was not really good, but I noticed the mistake and recovered. Overall I was pretty happy, but it wasnt enough for them. Congratulations to the people not rated who passed: you have all my respect.
If you have a decent experience on the 737 it would be easy enough I would say. For a non rated... its not easy, really, even if you have jet experience, like myself.
They will push you to the limits, overloading you. And when you begin to fell a little more comfortable, expect some extra pressure, again and again.

Good luck!

[NAVEX320]

Thanks a lot Dirk 85 to share this experience with us !

Indeed, this flight seems really difficult not to say a nightmare for some of us depending on our flight experience.

Bye

[costas1979]

Hello everybody. I did the DLR test yesterday and I was wondering to all those of you that passed the first stage, if you found mental arithmetic difficult (headphones).
If you know, does DLR take an average of your results or if you do not pass a single exam ie mental arithmetic, you do not pass the first stage?
I believe that mental arithmetic was the most difficult exam for me and I would like to know if you share the same opinion.
Thanxs.

[minimumunstick]

costas1979,

Sorry I can't answer your question since I have not yet attended the DLR.

I just wanted to ask if you remember and perhaps can share with us some of the questions asked for the headphone mental arithmetic??

Thanks

[costas1979]

Unfortunantly I cannot remember anything specific. Headphone mental arithmetic was very difficult though because the timing was very limited around 10-15 secs/ I found out that similar arithmetic qu in the test were much easier to solve. It is much harder to solve these qu if you cannot see them on the screen. There were many questions based on percentages and multiplication. If anybody has passed the first stage, it would be appreciated if they could give us some feedback on headphone mental arithmetic.

[rbaiapinto]

SIM ride

Hi Dirk,

Excellent description of this test!

Truly it reflects what happens in the SIM.

I'm in the same situation as you, so I know how you feel!

I have 200hrs and felt like if I just could make just a bit more perhaps I could do it, but perhaps more and more I feel that I never had a chance. At least with my little experience.

I just think they just push you so hard that it's so difficult for a low houred to pass this kind of exam. I think, even for people with some hundred hours, this would be an extremely difficult task.

If it is like so, why do they open this to 200hrs? Why don't they just open to 1000hrs with jet experience like everyone else?

Bit disappointing though!

Good luck!

[minimumunstick]

costas1979

I have received information from a reliable source that it is possible to have scored poorly on one specific test and still pass, so if you have done well on the other tests perhaps you will still make it through


rbaiapinto

I understand how it can be frustrating, but look on the bright side, you have had a valuable experience which will very most likely aid you in the future. With other companies that have different processes for recruitment you would probably not even be invited due to your low experience!

I would rather be invited to 10 assessments or interviews with high pass-standards and fail due to lack of experience than to not even be invited in the first place!


A question for you guys: if you pass the DLR and get to the sim-assessment, is there also an interview the same day? This is what I understood from reading this thread, but I am not sure anymore as it seems there isn't.

Thanks!

[siljo]

I was informed today that I passed the DLR too on the 14th of January. I will describe a little bit about that day.

We started about 8 am and they explained to us how the day will look like.

The first test was English 60 questions in 20 minutes I would say same level as in CBT.
After that there was SKT pretty much the same as in CBT, but you have unlimited time to compare current triangle with previous but you should do it as fast and as precise as possible because exercise is time limited although you don't know how much time is there left. It is not like in CBT where you have 10 item sets.

After every 2-3 exercises you have 10 minute break

The next one was KRN 10 visual,10 acoustical,
Examples: visual:4,3*60,63/3+63
acoustical: 15% of ~

Time was limited to about 10-15 second.

VLR same as CBT speed is gradually increasing from CBT level 1 to level 3 but this exercise is presented in very small square if you compare it to the CBT where you can see it across whole monitor.

OWT speed is I would say somewhere between level 2-3 of the CBT. The shape of the clocks are a little bit different but not much.

RMS exactly the same as CBT level 2 even the voice is the same. I had a problem because I also heard my neighbour over my handsets so I held my handsets really tight.

Around midday there is 1 hour break for lunch.

ROT Increasing from level 1 to level between 2-3. Voice is the same.

ATPL questions exactly the same as on the Italian forum.

Personal questionnaire. Just be honest.There is 260 questions if I remember correctly.

CRM questionnaire. I don't know what to tell you really I tried to use common sense since I don't have much expereince with CRM.

VMC like previous posters said the shapes are different and it did bothered me since I was used to CBT.

Last exercise is MIC test. They guide you through this test step by step so you practice it around 45 minutes and after that you do same thing for 15 minutes which is tested.

We finished around 3.30 pm.

My results before DLR were all above 90% except RMS 34% and VMC 83%.


I hope this helps you as it helped me all the information we got from Dirk85 and others in this thread.

If anyone has any more questions I will be happy to answer.

[dirk85]

@ rbaiapinto

In the sim with me there was a guy with plenty of experience: failed.
Today another guy, type rated on the 737 and more than 2000 hours on type: failed. And the same for another guy with about 3000 hours on the 767/757.

They require a very high standard, no doubt.

[minimumunstick]

Thanks, I guess it's been a while since I've read the whole thread and I probably forgot.

siljo

Thanks a bunch for the write-up that's really a lot of good valuable info. I didn't know they had questions with decimals in KRN.. there's not a single one of them in the practice CBT as I am sure you know. Were there many of those? Can't be I guess, since there are only 10 questions total?

And btw is that 4,3 x 60,63 divided by 3+63 or did you mean those as two separate examples?

If it's just one task then it's much harder than what I expected. Well really any task with decimals would be harder than I expected. But then again getting 3+63 would be too easy... almost easier than the 100% of X questions that pop up in the CBT every now and then. Perhaps you got one of those?

[rbaiapinto]

I understand how it can be frustrating, but look on the bright side, you have had a valuable experience which will very most likely aid you in the future. With other companies that have different processes for recruitment you would probably not even be invited due to your low experience!

I would rather be invited to 10 assessments or interviews with high pass-standards and fail due to lack of experience than to not even be invited in the first place!

That's with any doubt the way to look at it!

I'm just a bit disapointed with myself that's all. It will get over with time (eventually)

The guys I've knew who went to SIM, they were mostly 200 ish and they all failed!
Wasn't aware that even for the experienced ones this would be like this!

[Girl_Pilot]

SIM

Hi dirk85,
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience! I'm sorry you didn't make it.

Do not plan on any help from your PNF: he is not going to do almost anything. He will not even call for positive rate, for the minima, etc. He will answer to the radio, but he will not even change the frequency if you dont tell him to do so.

Regarding what you said about the PNF not calling for anything. Did you give him the specific commands to call for minima, altitudeXdistance, etc? And yet he didn't do it? Or was it already discussed during the briefing that he wouldn't give any calls despite any commands to do so?

[ptithomme]

They explain you everything during the briefing, so there is no surprise during the sim.
You can ask him to monitor the DME distance vs altitude on final, but he will only say something like "At D4 you will read xxxx ft"

[Girl_Pilot]

but he will only say something like "At D4 you will read xxxx ft"

That certainly helps a lot.