Ryanair - Rated Pilots holding pool
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Hy guys...I've done my interview (rated F.O. more than 500h on type) with RYR in Sep 08 and it was succesfully.
Scheduled to start OCC in Nov 08 I was "freeze" and put in a "stand by pool" few days after the phone call concerning the assestment result!!
Still standing by for any news from them...I called few days ago and they have no plans for OCC with rated pilots....only cpt and cadets for the moment!
Anyone in my same conditions?
Reading the page of RYR recruit is now state that by the end of March the fleet will be of 195 aircraft....aren't they 171 now?? all these aircraft in 2 months? and only cadets? how is it possible...!?
If any of you has more info...I really appreciate.
thanks in advance.
Scheduled to start OCC in Nov 08 I was "freeze" and put in a "stand by pool" few days after the phone call concerning the assestment result!!
Still standing by for any news from them...I called few days ago and they have no plans for OCC with rated pilots....only cpt and cadets for the moment!
Anyone in my same conditions?
Reading the page of RYR recruit is now state that by the end of March the fleet will be of 195 aircraft....aren't they 171 now?? all these aircraft in 2 months? and only cadets? how is it possible...!?
If any of you has more info...I really appreciate.
thanks in advance.
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not compleatly true, i am past 500hr and flying 70hrs this month, its not 90 but in fairness I dont want to fly that much, its still 5200euro before I decide what the tax man should have after expences.
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No idea,, I look at my rosta, go in and fly then go home and cash the cheque, I personaly think thats the best policy with flying with Ryanair, dont get me wrong I love my job, but its still just a job.
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well aren't you cool.
what was the point in posting you idiot, you haven't helped the poor bloke.
the holding pool at the moment has 300 pilots in. unfortunately, we are currently in discussions with the company over paycuts and it has now been announced that 200 staff are being layed off over the next couple of months (pilots and cabin crew, all dublin based). it isn't a nice situation and the guys at the top aren't being very nice about it. it would appear that you and the 299 other pilots are being used as pawns in a horrible war game between the workforce and the pilots. they have made us all aware that there are pilots in a holding pool ready to take our job - like a 'if you don't like it, then leave, we don't care, we've got people to fill your positions' attitude. what pressman meant was that cadets are much cheaper to operate as their pay is lower and now ryanair are operating (or will be from april) their own in house type ratings, they get more money from cadets too.
good luck, if there's any more info you require pm me
zerotohero i hope i don't fly with you, you'll probably just chat about how much money you think you earn and how many crew you think fancy you
what was the point in posting you idiot, you haven't helped the poor bloke.
the holding pool at the moment has 300 pilots in. unfortunately, we are currently in discussions with the company over paycuts and it has now been announced that 200 staff are being layed off over the next couple of months (pilots and cabin crew, all dublin based). it isn't a nice situation and the guys at the top aren't being very nice about it. it would appear that you and the 299 other pilots are being used as pawns in a horrible war game between the workforce and the pilots. they have made us all aware that there are pilots in a holding pool ready to take our job - like a 'if you don't like it, then leave, we don't care, we've got people to fill your positions' attitude. what pressman meant was that cadets are much cheaper to operate as their pay is lower and now ryanair are operating (or will be from april) their own in house type ratings, they get more money from cadets too.
good luck, if there's any more info you require pm me
zerotohero i hope i don't fly with you, you'll probably just chat about how much money you think you earn and how many crew you think fancy you
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I am lead to believe that the company are only starting Captains with type ratngs just now, all F/O's are un rated.
I would still expect that if they have already told you that they will give you a job, it will only be a matter of time.
Be patient and good luck
I would still expect that if they have already told you that they will give you a job, it will only be a matter of time.
Be patient and good luck
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Zerotohero,
Why do you write here? To show off, what an egocentric person!!
Tipical mentality in Ryanair, as long as I have what I want, I don't care about somebody else.
Pilot profession has devaluated a lot over the last decade and I know why!
Even Ryanair will be hit by the crisis and your job isn't sure eather.
Your comments have nothing to do with this thread.
Good luck to the guy ,who is waiting for a job.
Just bad times,unlucky!
Why do you write here? To show off, what an egocentric person!!
Tipical mentality in Ryanair, as long as I have what I want, I don't care about somebody else.
Pilot profession has devaluated a lot over the last decade and I know why!
Even Ryanair will be hit by the crisis and your job isn't sure eather.
Your comments have nothing to do with this thread.
Good luck to the guy ,who is waiting for a job.
Just bad times,unlucky!
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nope, i wrote because pressman stated that anyone past 500hr is not doing any flying and all the cadets were! not true, I am flying more than enough for my likings, and then in responce aleZTN asked about the fleet arriving, so i replyied no idea! job done.
this industry is volatile and there are people just out for themselfs, well I only came into it recently and thats whats on the table these days so i am chowing down on it,,,, if it used to be rosey years ago when you first started, heres my thoughts, its you that f***ed it up! I had zero part in past pay deals and T&C,,,,, Brookfield Ryanair 738 is what was about after instructing and Brookfield is what I took, if you want the good old days back go get out your picture book and cry me a river.
this industry is volatile and there are people just out for themselfs, well I only came into it recently and thats whats on the table these days so i am chowing down on it,,,, if it used to be rosey years ago when you first started, heres my thoughts, its you that f***ed it up! I had zero part in past pay deals and T&C,,,,, Brookfield Ryanair 738 is what was about after instructing and Brookfield is what I took, if you want the good old days back go get out your picture book and cry me a river.
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To be honest, no one is totally sure what is happening in the company at the present time. I am DUB based and await an outcome on my future. As you probably are aware the fleet size at DUB will remain at 18 aircraft for the duration of the summer season (usually 22). Recently SNN has also had two aircraft removed from their fleet. Crews not required at SNN have been moved to new bases and yesterday it had been suggested (by MOL himself on RTE news) that the same course of action would be taken for the excess DUB based crew. Speaking from the perspective of flightcrew, I am a bit unsure of what the extent of the upset may be. The current fleet is at 18 a/c already and the majority of crew are infact contract pilots, with a great deal of these (especially Captains) on floating contracts. Anyway, I am just speculating. I am as uncertain as the next person!
On a brighter note, Command upgrades continue. FR are keen to promote from within, so this should free spaces for FOs (obviously depending on the success rate). As you know, the preference will always lean towards employing 250 hr SSTR cadets. However when I joined around 8 months ago I met a few 'experienced' 737 FOs who had recently joined from other airlines. It therefore does happen, however it's all about timing. The company is to open four new bases in the next few months, so we will see what happens there. There is also talk of a base in CPH, however this is just internal whispers. May amount to nothing as I am told CPH can be an expensive place to operate from (not to FRs liking).
All I can say is sit tight. Too much is changing at the moment to paint any clear picture. Once we get through the summer, I believe everyone will know where they stand!
To be honest, no one is totally sure what is happening in the company at the present time. I am DUB based and await an outcome on my future. As you probably are aware the fleet size at DUB will remain at 18 aircraft for the duration of the summer season (usually 22). Recently SNN has also had two aircraft removed from their fleet. Crews not required at SNN have been moved to new bases and yesterday it had been suggested (by MOL himself on RTE news) that the same course of action would be taken for the excess DUB based crew. Speaking from the perspective of flightcrew, I am a bit unsure of what the extent of the upset may be. The current fleet is at 18 a/c already and the majority of crew are infact contract pilots, with a great deal of these (especially Captains) on floating contracts. Anyway, I am just speculating. I am as uncertain as the next person!
On a brighter note, Command upgrades continue. FR are keen to promote from within, so this should free spaces for FOs (obviously depending on the success rate). As you know, the preference will always lean towards employing 250 hr SSTR cadets. However when I joined around 8 months ago I met a few 'experienced' 737 FOs who had recently joined from other airlines. It therefore does happen, however it's all about timing. The company is to open four new bases in the next few months, so we will see what happens there. There is also talk of a base in CPH, however this is just internal whispers. May amount to nothing as I am told CPH can be an expensive place to operate from (not to FRs liking).
All I can say is sit tight. Too much is changing at the moment to paint any clear picture. Once we get through the summer, I believe everyone will know where they stand!
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Are cadets that much cheaper?
If you take into account the increased salary for a Line training Captain and a safety pilot for a few weeks does the cost amount to less than just using a FO??
Il do the maths: Safety pilot duties (at a guess) 70E an hour
Line catain (another guess) 150E per hour
so for an early SO a total of 220E per hour.
Normal crew: FO at 70E per hour
Capt at 136E per hour
206E per hour.
After safety pilot release it might make it cheaper:
SO at 40E per hour
Capt at 150E per hour
190E per hour total so under the bulk of the line training it is cheaper.
So im guessing any money from SSTR would offset this?
Anyone care to add?
If you take into account the increased salary for a Line training Captain and a safety pilot for a few weeks does the cost amount to less than just using a FO??
Il do the maths: Safety pilot duties (at a guess) 70E an hour
Line catain (another guess) 150E per hour
so for an early SO a total of 220E per hour.
Normal crew: FO at 70E per hour
Capt at 136E per hour
206E per hour.
After safety pilot release it might make it cheaper:
SO at 40E per hour
Capt at 150E per hour
190E per hour total so under the bulk of the line training it is cheaper.
So im guessing any money from SSTR would offset this?
Anyone care to add?
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Ryanairs success is down to small margins I would imagine, say 300 cadets last year at 5euros an hour cheaper times 500hours adds up to 750,000euros!
look at one of the latest FCI to turn off the retractable landing lights on initial takeoff checks saves 6kg per rotation times that by some 1100ish a day and that adds up to a big fuel saving over a year, its all about small margins.
but to keep people happy on this thread and on track I flew 60hours on my last month under 500hours totaling 3330euros hitting my bank before tax and what not,,,,, first month after 500hours on the higher rate was 65.7hours totaling 4960euro before crap,,, so its not all true that your grounded after cadetship!
look at one of the latest FCI to turn off the retractable landing lights on initial takeoff checks saves 6kg per rotation times that by some 1100ish a day and that adds up to a big fuel saving over a year, its all about small margins.
but to keep people happy on this thread and on track I flew 60hours on my last month under 500hours totaling 3330euros hitting my bank before tax and what not,,,,, first month after 500hours on the higher rate was 65.7hours totaling 4960euro before crap,,, so its not all true that your grounded after cadetship!
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zerotohero - the tragedy of your foolish posts is you actually do not see how staggeringly ignorant they are. You, alas, are a significant part of the reason why Ryanair has led the industry into the mess it is in now. Your mentality of just keeping your head down and thinking about number one is the same mentality that allowed people to live near Dachau or Belsen and claim they never knew what was happening in the 'transit camps' up the road. It frankly repulses me - and I suspect also a load of your own colleagues at Ryanair. I have always been at a complete loss to know why Ryanair pilots have not been able to unionise in order to gain collective bargaining powers and accountability that is so necessary for long-term security. As long as there are young people like you who see no need to think of anyone else but themselves, it all makes perfect sense.
I can see the advert in Flight International now, 'Young pilot available now, full of enthusiasm, hard worker, loves flying and never asks difficult questions. Give me the job and as long as I am sorted, you will never hear a peep. Where do I sign?'
Part of being young is that you are always capable of the deepest emotions of love, compassion, kindness, consideration and thoughtfulness. The problem tends to be that those emotions only ever involve yourself! Let me leave you with the poetic words of Martin Neimoller, a former U-boat captain from the First World War and subsequent church minister who after initially welcoming the new Germany, saw it for what it was and was sent to jail for voicing dissent. At the end of WWII, reflecting on the rise of Hitler and his own place in not opposing him until it was too late, he is credited with these words:
First "....They came for the Communists,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
They came for the Jews,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
They came for the Trade Unionists,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Trade Unionist.
They came for the Catholics,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic.
Then they came for me,
But by that time there wasn't anyone left to speak for me....."
You folks at Ryanair are only seeing the beginning and without a corporate voice that stands for every pilot's interests and not just your own are destined for disaster. Best of luck in the fight ahead - you are going to need it.
I can see the advert in Flight International now, 'Young pilot available now, full of enthusiasm, hard worker, loves flying and never asks difficult questions. Give me the job and as long as I am sorted, you will never hear a peep. Where do I sign?'
Part of being young is that you are always capable of the deepest emotions of love, compassion, kindness, consideration and thoughtfulness. The problem tends to be that those emotions only ever involve yourself! Let me leave you with the poetic words of Martin Neimoller, a former U-boat captain from the First World War and subsequent church minister who after initially welcoming the new Germany, saw it for what it was and was sent to jail for voicing dissent. At the end of WWII, reflecting on the rise of Hitler and his own place in not opposing him until it was too late, he is credited with these words:
First "....They came for the Communists,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
They came for the Jews,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
They came for the Trade Unionists,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Trade Unionist.
They came for the Catholics,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic.
Then they came for me,
But by that time there wasn't anyone left to speak for me....."
You folks at Ryanair are only seeing the beginning and without a corporate voice that stands for every pilot's interests and not just your own are destined for disaster. Best of luck in the fight ahead - you are going to need it.
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Awesome, now get back on our BALPA site pls xx
oh and zerotohero
Cock, the guy was only asking for some advice, where u never there once. Bet u moan at learner drivers as well.
Well pup, having been made redundent its not a nice feeling, who's going to pay that big mortgage, grow up little boy... If I lose my job again I lose everything, so we're all in this together!!
Rant over
Awesome, now get back on our BALPA site pls xx
oh and zerotohero
Cock, the guy was only asking for some advice, where u never there once. Bet u moan at learner drivers as well.
Well pup, having been made redundent its not a nice feeling, who's going to pay that big mortgage, grow up little boy... If I lose my job again I lose everything, so we're all in this together!!
Rant over
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It looks like a bad situation...
I hope that the pool for rated pilot is smaller than 300's...or not!?
I know many guys has joined RYR from other companies...most of them doing the interview only 1 month before me !! ****...!!!
As far as I can see it's really look like a wargame...so may that's why they have called so many guys for the interviews...so we have lost time and money for nothing...
I've red about the situation in DUB from the RYR website, but I've also seen from Ryanair Fleet - Airfleets that now there are 173 a/c....so more airplanes less pilots...you should fly more...is that the plan?
All new bases are in Italy, after asking or moving to go there, I don't understand why they are not calling us..
It's really a bad moment...hope that with the summer is going better.
Thanks for all other info
Ale
I hope that the pool for rated pilot is smaller than 300's...or not!?
I know many guys has joined RYR from other companies...most of them doing the interview only 1 month before me !! ****...!!!
As far as I can see it's really look like a wargame...so may that's why they have called so many guys for the interviews...so we have lost time and money for nothing...
I've red about the situation in DUB from the RYR website, but I've also seen from Ryanair Fleet - Airfleets that now there are 173 a/c....so more airplanes less pilots...you should fly more...is that the plan?
All new bases are in Italy, after asking or moving to go there, I don't understand why they are not calling us..
It's really a bad moment...hope that with the summer is going better.
Thanks for all other info
Ale
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lol,,, the zero to hero name is a piss take at all thouse at ryanair who did that with 220 hours oxford to jet! i myself did instructing and then charter before looking for turbo porp jobs that were not around so took one with FR instead of mcdonnalds
as for not giving advice,, i gave advice on hours and pay! did you all miss that,,, your just too excited to slag people off!
as for not giving advice,, i gave advice on hours and pay! did you all miss that,,, your just too excited to slag people off!
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Sorry, but I am with zerotohero 100% on this one,
Who are you all to tell anyone that they are ignorant, or self centred, or selfish, or anything else, for looking after number 1?
Personally I love flying (same company, STN based) - but more than anything I just LOVE to see all that money in my bank at the end of the month, and you'd be bulls**tting if you said you didn't look forward to it.
I also love the people I work with, 99% of them are great people and I have no problems getting along with anyone. But here's a question for all you moral folk out there - do you honestly think the next guy in this industry is going to look out for you? That's what you should be worried about...
There's nothing wrong with what the guy's put - he needs to feed his family (if he has one), and he's happy he's able to do that in times like these.
Then again, it's 'discussions' such as these that are the reason I don't watch the news or read the papers - I can't be bothered knowing what's happening to other people, so long as it doesn't affect me or my family. My condolences always go out to the families of those who are suffering in the world, but you must look after yourself.
And nobody start throwing the 'what a selfish prick' card at me - I spent eight months in Africa flying 172s around with a UK nurse onboard helping the sick and injured in Ghana, so I know something about helping others.
Frankly some of the above posts are disgusting.
Rant over.
Who are you all to tell anyone that they are ignorant, or self centred, or selfish, or anything else, for looking after number 1?
Personally I love flying (same company, STN based) - but more than anything I just LOVE to see all that money in my bank at the end of the month, and you'd be bulls**tting if you said you didn't look forward to it.
I also love the people I work with, 99% of them are great people and I have no problems getting along with anyone. But here's a question for all you moral folk out there - do you honestly think the next guy in this industry is going to look out for you? That's what you should be worried about...
There's nothing wrong with what the guy's put - he needs to feed his family (if he has one), and he's happy he's able to do that in times like these.
Then again, it's 'discussions' such as these that are the reason I don't watch the news or read the papers - I can't be bothered knowing what's happening to other people, so long as it doesn't affect me or my family. My condolences always go out to the families of those who are suffering in the world, but you must look after yourself.
And nobody start throwing the 'what a selfish prick' card at me - I spent eight months in Africa flying 172s around with a UK nurse onboard helping the sick and injured in Ghana, so I know something about helping others.
Frankly some of the above posts are disgusting.
Rant over.
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Get a grip man and read things before going off on one! as my last post your all far too excited to slag people off on there
if you bothered to read my post you will see the first one i said i was happy not flying 90hours a month as i am earning enough money to live a good life and lower down i quote some figures and say before crap, meaning before tax and NI! not crap wage, but again as in every pprune thread you just read what you want to hear and have a go at someone (ME!)
HERE IT IS SIMPLY FOR YOU,,, POST IS ASKING ABOUT PILOTS WITH HOURS ON TYPE,,, I TOLD MY HOURS FLYING COMPAIRED TO BEFORE 500 HOURS AND PAY I RECIEVE FOR INFO!
Get a grip and stop been such Bit**s
Get a grip man and read things before going off on one! as my last post your all far too excited to slag people off on there
if you bothered to read my post you will see the first one i said i was happy not flying 90hours a month as i am earning enough money to live a good life and lower down i quote some figures and say before crap, meaning before tax and NI! not crap wage, but again as in every pprune thread you just read what you want to hear and have a go at someone (ME!)
HERE IT IS SIMPLY FOR YOU,,, POST IS ASKING ABOUT PILOTS WITH HOURS ON TYPE,,, I TOLD MY HOURS FLYING COMPAIRED TO BEFORE 500 HOURS AND PAY I RECIEVE FOR INFO!
Get a grip and stop been such Bit**s
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As you are starting to find out, tongue in cheek, irony, or anything that requires the reader to read between the lines is somewhat wasted on here.
It is only possible to be in one of two camps. Either you must adopt blinkers and praise Ryanair to the rooftops, or you have to (preferably work for Aer Lingus) & remind everyone that they are a bunch of Pikey's/ scum of the earth etc at every opportunity. You will find any common sense posting will be drowned in a chorus of Ryanair-berating hysteria.
You are there, you know how it is, what is good & bad, and how it could be a lot better, and indeed a lot worse. Trying to educate the great unwashed on here is a poor use of your time. Look at my number of postings and you will see I speak from experience.
Wait till CaptKremin or one of his many psuedonyms comes along, you will then find that rather than being a normal bloke telling it as it is, you are transformed into a self serving apologist for the evil empire. Most of these opinions are invariably offered from a "safe seat" on the exterior of our glorious empire. Easy indeed to offer advice from the rafters, as you well know not so easy to act on it from within,particularly when everyone is not singing from the same hymn-sheet.
As you said, look after No1, no one else will until some leadership is found among the ranks and some organised response is offered to managements unchallenged "proposals". With the possible exception of The Grim Repa aka Didimus that ain't gonna come from anyone on here.
Welcome to the shark pool, come on in the waters lovely
As you are starting to find out, tongue in cheek, irony, or anything that requires the reader to read between the lines is somewhat wasted on here.
It is only possible to be in one of two camps. Either you must adopt blinkers and praise Ryanair to the rooftops, or you have to (preferably work for Aer Lingus) & remind everyone that they are a bunch of Pikey's/ scum of the earth etc at every opportunity. You will find any common sense posting will be drowned in a chorus of Ryanair-berating hysteria.
You are there, you know how it is, what is good & bad, and how it could be a lot better, and indeed a lot worse. Trying to educate the great unwashed on here is a poor use of your time. Look at my number of postings and you will see I speak from experience.
Wait till CaptKremin or one of his many psuedonyms comes along, you will then find that rather than being a normal bloke telling it as it is, you are transformed into a self serving apologist for the evil empire. Most of these opinions are invariably offered from a "safe seat" on the exterior of our glorious empire. Easy indeed to offer advice from the rafters, as you well know not so easy to act on it from within,particularly when everyone is not singing from the same hymn-sheet.
As you said, look after No1, no one else will until some leadership is found among the ranks and some organised response is offered to managements unchallenged "proposals". With the possible exception of The Grim Repa aka Didimus that ain't gonna come from anyone on here. Welcome to the shark pool, come on in the waters lovely