Working outside the JAA.
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Working outside the JAA.
I am thinking of taking a job in africa and I will need to validate my license but what will happend with my original JAA license.
How do you renew your JAA license. Do you have to come back once a year to europe and do a LPC check? Does the airline pay this?
How do you renew your JAA license. Do you have to come back once a year to europe and do a LPC check? Does the airline pay this?
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Hello Jimmy,
I guess you have a JAA TR on your licence? And if you fly under a validation, then this is based on your JAA licence, which must stay current. Same for the JAA medical.
This is usually done and paid for by your employer, however, your JAA CAA may accept any ICAO LPC for licence renewal (putting a limitation on your rating that you may only fly aircraft registered to that company or country).
Very much depends on how flexible your CAA is (mine did the above) and where yoou are going.
good luck! IP
I guess you have a JAA TR on your licence? And if you fly under a validation, then this is based on your JAA licence, which must stay current. Same for the JAA medical.
This is usually done and paid for by your employer, however, your JAA CAA may accept any ICAO LPC for licence renewal (putting a limitation on your rating that you may only fly aircraft registered to that company or country).
Very much depends on how flexible your CAA is (mine did the above) and where yoou are going.
good luck! IP
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That is not the full truth.
When you leave JAAland, you will loose your validity, latest when your last check ride and your last medical runs out. On your JAA license, you have a date, when you don't come back withing that time, your JAA license will run out. You might have to retake the examns, depending on how long you were away and what you did.
I was 3 years out of JAAland. My JAA license was valid for about 10 years, so no problem. All my check rides and medical became invalid. As soon as you come back to a JAA operator, you have to do a check ride, a medical or a new type rating, if your old type rating was expired. Depends on your country and how they handle it. After that it's fine. You get a shiny new JAA license.
If you haven't left your old JAA operator, then it's even easier. Just do another LPC and a medical. A JAA LPC has to be done on a JAA sim/aircraft and with a JAA TRE.
Before you leave, please give your country's civil aviation authority a phone call and ask them exactly what you have to do to keep your JAA valid. Then act accordingly. It's a good thing to get the answer in a written form.
Good luck and enjoy the experience outside!
Dani
When you leave JAAland, you will loose your validity, latest when your last check ride and your last medical runs out. On your JAA license, you have a date, when you don't come back withing that time, your JAA license will run out. You might have to retake the examns, depending on how long you were away and what you did.
I was 3 years out of JAAland. My JAA license was valid for about 10 years, so no problem. All my check rides and medical became invalid. As soon as you come back to a JAA operator, you have to do a check ride, a medical or a new type rating, if your old type rating was expired. Depends on your country and how they handle it. After that it's fine. You get a shiny new JAA license.
If you haven't left your old JAA operator, then it's even easier. Just do another LPC and a medical. A JAA LPC has to be done on a JAA sim/aircraft and with a JAA TRE.
Before you leave, please give your country's civil aviation authority a phone call and ask them exactly what you have to do to keep your JAA valid. Then act accordingly. It's a good thing to get the answer in a written form.
Good luck and enjoy the experience outside!
Dani
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People what are you talking about!!!! If you get any kind of validation this is only Valid aslong as your existing licence and medical remain valid at all times....its not a new licence or replacement for your home licence its simply a validation..once you have it you can use your licence as normal in Africa but you still have to keep your medical valid and your JAA licence Valid as you would in Europe or your home country.
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I am afraid that what blabla says is confirming what I wrote and this is correct: your validation is only good for as long as your JAA licence is current, which means your rating, medical, etc must stay current. As the airline will not be able to use you once your currency is gone, they either use this initial period to get you the local licence or they have a JAA TRE on staff, as some African companies do (there are JAA approved TRTOs and sims in Africa), or they send you straight to a JAA TRTO.
So this is definitely not a question of whether you are in JAA land or not, but if you have a JAA TRE in an acceptable sim.
A licence is generally valid for 5 or 10 years, so there is no problem.
JAA class 1 medical can be done in many countries outside JAA land, not sure about Africa though (did mine in the Caribbean).
Again: your rating will not expire if you do the annual LPC, this (depending on your CAA) will NOT have to be a JAA TRE, my CAA has accepted a local ICAO TRE with the restriction as per my first post.
Upon commencing work with a JAA carrier at a later stage, you will have to do their LPC anyway, and this will remove the limitation, but this has nothing to do with currency.
So this is definitely not a question of whether you are in JAA land or not, but if you have a JAA TRE in an acceptable sim.
A licence is generally valid for 5 or 10 years, so there is no problem.
JAA class 1 medical can be done in many countries outside JAA land, not sure about Africa though (did mine in the Caribbean).
Again: your rating will not expire if you do the annual LPC, this (depending on your CAA) will NOT have to be a JAA TRE, my CAA has accepted a local ICAO TRE with the restriction as per my first post.
Upon commencing work with a JAA carrier at a later stage, you will have to do their LPC anyway, and this will remove the limitation, but this has nothing to do with currency.
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You are worried about your JAA licence while away flying in Africa and what will happen to your JAA licence without renewals?
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are you flying in Africa on a African licence issued and valid on the basis of your JAA one(?) and therefore require the JAA licence to be valid at the same time?
If it is the first one, you can let it all lapse and then renew it all when you get back.
You don't have to do a medical initial issue again, just a normal medical gets it back to speed again.
If you have a frozen atpl, then yes, if you have not revalidated your IR in 7yrs you can lose your subjects, however there is a clause that if you have held a ICAO IR and used it elsewhere in that time, then the clock ticking does not apply. However after 5yrs from doing your last IR you must do a revalidation IR exam with a CAA examiner. Doing the IR will cover your BFR and plane type used for the test in one hit.
As for going beyond the period of the 5-10yr licence, best to check on the CAA on that one. Again, maybe just a simple matter of paying the fee along with your flight test results.
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are you flying in Africa on a African licence issued and valid on the basis of your JAA one(?) and therefore require the JAA licence to be valid at the same time?
If it is the first one, you can let it all lapse and then renew it all when you get back.
You don't have to do a medical initial issue again, just a normal medical gets it back to speed again.
If you have a frozen atpl, then yes, if you have not revalidated your IR in 7yrs you can lose your subjects, however there is a clause that if you have held a ICAO IR and used it elsewhere in that time, then the clock ticking does not apply. However after 5yrs from doing your last IR you must do a revalidation IR exam with a CAA examiner. Doing the IR will cover your BFR and plane type used for the test in one hit.
As for going beyond the period of the 5-10yr licence, best to check on the CAA on that one. Again, maybe just a simple matter of paying the fee along with your flight test results.
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Just to break down the "does the airline pay for this" bit. Some airlines pay for it all - ie; cost of the sim, flights home, time off, per diems etc. Others pay zero, say it's your problem, and others do variations in between. Given the costs involved, you need to ask, break it down also, and get it in writing. It's easy to say airlines should pay for it all, but some other expat there has probably set a prededent already, and the airline won't give you any more than they've conceded to someone else already.
