Long Range

[Mister]

Hi Guys:

Just a quick question.

I applyed to a German company and they are asking me for a "Long range training certificate", anybody have any ideas of what the is that?.

Thanks very much for your answers.

Regards.

[l8starter]

Long Range Qualification

Hey Mister, it might be referring to a course such as MNPS like TAG at FAB offer. If memory serves it's Minimum Navigation Performance Systems or something like that. It's what you are suposed to do before going across the Atlantic on the "Track System". Hope that helps ?

Just out of interest, is the job with FAI Air Ambulance in Nuremburg ? If so could you PM me with some details ?

Thanks.

L8

[Mister]

Hi there.

Thanks for your answer, but I think from what I am finding out that is some kind of exam pilots do in Germany.

By the way, the company is not the one you told me about.

Thanks again.

[saucy jack]

Yes, it is an "extra" ATPL type exam for German Licenceholders...similar to the Flight Planning exam of the JAA ATPLs with some other bits and pieces.

If as a non-German you already have a JAR Licence with the Flight Planning exam credited then I understand the german "Long Range" exam is not required...perhaps they only will need proof of your ATPL passes including Flight Planning.

Doubtless a German colleague will be along soon to give more detail.

[Parkbremse]

In times of the old german national license, taking only the "normal" theory exam limited you to flying in greater europe including the Canary Islands. To fly longhaul, you needed to take an additonal theoretical exam (longrange theory) which comprised four subjects like longrange flightplanning and general navigation etc. With the introduction of JAR, the topics of these subjects have been merged into the normal theoretical examiniation, so taking now the ATPL Theory Exam gives you a full theory credit including the old longrange theory.

To cut a long story short: if you have a JAA license, you fulfill the requierements they are looking for. Actually the requierement is only of interest to older german pilots who still have the old national license, as it wasn't mandatory to take this exam but now it is as you can't get a JAA license without one.

[l8starter]

AS my wife keeps telling me "It's not often you're right,but you're wrong again !"

It's good to learn !

L8

[Mister]

Thanks Parkbremser, I am with you, but this HR lady says unless I provide a "Long range certificate" they will not proceed any longer with my application.

And thanks for all the other answers as well.

[Knee Trembler]

Hi Guys,

May I ask which the company is?

I fly quit happily in Germany under a UK JAA ATPL. It would be well worth a call to the Luftfahrtbundesamt (LBA) in Braunschweig and discussing with them. Also, try and find someone in the company other than the HR lady who will no doubt not have the faintest idea about flight crew licensing.

Kind regards,

KT

[Mister]

Hi there again.

I prefer not saying the name of the company, too much information that could not be good for me....

I wrote her an email as well, lets see what she answers (if she does so...)

Regards and thanks for your answer.

[Mister]

Hi again guys, I send a couple of mails to the DBA ( I think is the German CAA) and I write here what they answered:

"Dear Mr. .....

The answer to your question is short and simple: All pilots holding a JAR-FCL ATPL-licence or having passed the JAR-FCL ATPL Theoretical Knowledge Examination do not require a "Long range theory certificate". I hope that we could be of help. Kind regards "

and that as well:

"Dear Mr. ......

According your e-mail, dated 22nd August 2008 we can inform you, that only pilots, who hold a national German ICAO Commercial pilot licence(with MCC and ATPL-Theorie credit) or Airline transport pilot licence,have to pass the theoretical longe range test.
Before implementation JAR-FCL in Germany in May 2003, the longe rangetest was a separate test and not part of the theoretical ATPL test.
So if you have a British Commercial pilot licence with ATPL-Theoriecredit according JAR-FCL you have to fulfil the requirements.
Yours faithfully
By order "

I sent those mails to the HR lady who doesnt want to proceed further with my applicaton and she did not answer.....

Any ideas on what I could do?.

Regards.

[jetopa]

Nothing. It's the typical German tendency to re-invent the wheel. The so-called L/R authorisation was only a license to print Deutschmark bills for some flying schools who back then successfully persuaded the LBA to require such a qualification.

It's no longer required since the introduction of JAA licenses. Everybody knows that.

If she does not react - then, well, f... her. She works in the dept. which does the hiring of pilots for this particular company and apparently she does not know a thing about the requirements - nor has she ever been properly trained accordingly.

[Mister]

I am with you mate, f... her; but the problem is that the one f..... in this case is me...

Regards.