STBY Jumpseat Travel
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STBY Jumpseat Travel
Have any other airlines apart from lovely Thomson introduced a rule whereby to certain countries, you may not have a pax figure that exceeds the number of PASSENGER seats on the aeroplane??
In the last week few weeks Thomson have introduced this rule which means that stby cabin jumpseat travel is a thing of the past to certain destinations.
We are told its to do with the information sent to the destination authorities in advance of the aeroplane leaving the UK. The problem is that they don't have enough time to get late passengers onto the list to be sent ahead.
Question: Stby pax won't be checked in until checkin is about to close....Check in does not close until the last passenger checks in, or the relevent time is reached....Pax names cannot be sent until check in closes. Where is the problem? How do stby pax delay the sending of this information??
Can anyone out there shed any light on the situation?
Do any Thomson employees think its a ploy to get people on the new concessions??
J
In the last week few weeks Thomson have introduced this rule which means that stby cabin jumpseat travel is a thing of the past to certain destinations.
We are told its to do with the information sent to the destination authorities in advance of the aeroplane leaving the UK. The problem is that they don't have enough time to get late passengers onto the list to be sent ahead.
Question: Stby pax won't be checked in until checkin is about to close....Check in does not close until the last passenger checks in, or the relevent time is reached....Pax names cannot be sent until check in closes. Where is the problem? How do stby pax delay the sending of this information??
Can anyone out there shed any light on the situation?
Do any Thomson employees think its a ploy to get people on the new concessions??
J
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We are referring to the cockpit jump seat?
Forum entitled Flight Deck Forums thus, what's the problem?
Forum entitled Flight Deck Forums thus, what's the problem?
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Sounds like an airline specific issue - suggest your BALPA CC take it up if it has a negative impact on lifestyle.
Not talking about cockpit J/S corfiot, use of that by SBY pax has been verboten in the UK for a number of years now. I think Thomson is referring to use of cabin crew jumpseats for sby pax. My current and previous airline had no problem with this, but then they don't fly to some of the wacky places Thomsonfly do
Not talking about cockpit J/S corfiot, use of that by SBY pax has been verboten in the UK for a number of years now. I think Thomson is referring to use of cabin crew jumpseats for sby pax. My current and previous airline had no problem with this, but then they don't fly to some of the wacky places Thomsonfly do
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For those of you not familiar with Rainboe posts, here is another example from 10.09 today;
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=275212
I for one am interested in the subject of this thread, and if it needs to be moved or amended we have a professional and dedicated team of PPRuNe moderators to judge and decide.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=275212
I for one am interested in the subject of this thread, and if it needs to be moved or amended we have a professional and dedicated team of PPRuNe moderators to judge and decide.
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Ah!
Thanks! Had heard of that, presumably 9/11 +?
To be honest, about 95% of the flights I fly as a passenger (doing engineering now) are under the control of one of 2 family members whom fly for the Hellenic companies! And thus doing the degree under one of the companies schemes, I get the privilege of Up front Jump and specifically aim to be on the family's pilots flights to get this some times! Obv within restrictions!!!!!!
Thanks! Had heard of that, presumably 9/11 +?
To be honest, about 95% of the flights I fly as a passenger (doing engineering now) are under the control of one of 2 family members whom fly for the Hellenic companies! And thus doing the degree under one of the companies schemes, I get the privilege of Up front Jump and specifically aim to be on the family's pilots flights to get this some times! Obv within restrictions!!!!!!
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Well I thought it was relevant!! anyway.....
To clarify:
FD Jumpseat travel is not allowed and hasn't been in the UK for leisure purposes for some years now.
I am referring to the cabin jumpseats which until this month have been usable on all routes at the Commanders discretion.
There are a number of countries now affected by the rule introduced by Thomson. Spain, Mexico and all of the Caribbean to name but a few.
What i'm trying to find out is if any other airlines have introduced this rule....as Gary has spotted it affects our travel perks and it needn't!!
J
To clarify:
FD Jumpseat travel is not allowed and hasn't been in the UK for leisure purposes for some years now.
I am referring to the cabin jumpseats which until this month have been usable on all routes at the Commanders discretion.
There are a number of countries now affected by the rule introduced by Thomson. Spain, Mexico and all of the Caribbean to name but a few.
What i'm trying to find out is if any other airlines have introduced this rule....as Gary has spotted it affects our travel perks and it needn't!!
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Sorry mate, thats wrong. I fly for Monarch, and the flt deck jump seat is an absolute no no, not company policy, this comes from the D.O.T.
I cant even take my teenage son on an out and back to PMI...... he would have to take a seat in the cabin, all came about shortly after 9/11
Reference the original enquiry, I've not seen any notices regarding using the spare c/c jump seats with us, not yet anyway......
Sorry mate, thats wrong. I fly for Monarch, and the flt deck jump seat is an absolute no no, not company policy, this comes from the D.O.T.
I cant even take my teenage son on an out and back to PMI...... he would have to take a seat in the cabin, all came about shortly after 9/11
Reference the original enquiry, I've not seen any notices regarding using the spare c/c jump seats with us, not yet anyway......
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With respect, SID, Dave is right, it comes from DfT/CAA (see threads passim) However, DfT rules do allow company employees on the j/s, but only if they are on duty (i.e. if they are supposed to be on the aircraft) or travelling to/from duty if no seat is available in the passenger cabin (some airlines have different interpretations of this last rule but it is generally understood to mean positioning crewmembers, not usually those on personal travel).
Maybe your friends work for a compnay with a particularly favourbale interpretation of the rules (not many of those about anymore!).
Maybe your friends work for a compnay with a particularly favourbale interpretation of the rules (not many of those about anymore!).
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I work for MyTravel and we certainly DO NOT allow leisure staff pax on the flight deck jumpseat. I DO actually know other people flying for other companies as aircrew, be they charter or schedule and they most certainly have the same DoT inspired rules as we do. I don't know who you work for as your profile is confusing, but since most of this entire website has been hijacked by spotters/simmers or people who 'know' someone in the industry, I guess you fall into this category.
ThomsonJetBloke.
MyTravel have yet to introduce such a constraint. I guess that TFly are trying to remove all your standby privileges, no matter where you sit in a/c. I would suggest you fight tooth and nail. We have few enough perks in the industry left now.
I work for MyTravel and we certainly DO NOT allow leisure staff pax on the flight deck jumpseat. I DO actually know other people flying for other companies as aircrew, be they charter or schedule and they most certainly have the same DoT inspired rules as we do. I don't know who you work for as your profile is confusing, but since most of this entire website has been hijacked by spotters/simmers or people who 'know' someone in the industry, I guess you fall into this category.
ThomsonJetBloke.
MyTravel have yet to introduce such a constraint. I guess that TFly are trying to remove all your standby privileges, no matter where you sit in a/c. I would suggest you fight tooth and nail. We have few enough perks in the industry left now.
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The point I was trying to make ref my son on the jump seat was, proir to 9/11, I could take anyone i wanted on whats called an 'out and back', its called a 'Captains invite'.....but as we're all saying on this thread, the Dept of transport have now made use of flt deck jump seats impossible
The point I was trying to make ref my son on the jump seat was, proir to 9/11, I could take anyone i wanted on whats called an 'out and back', its called a 'Captains invite'.....but as we're all saying on this thread, the Dept of transport have now made use of flt deck jump seats impossible
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Thanks flyinthesky!
I'm guessing now that we are the only people to have this imposed at the mo so look out you lot!
I'll be taking it to the union as its NOT ON!
SID: FD jumpseats are a NO NO UK wide! (For leisure purposes).
J
I'm guessing now that we are the only people to have this imposed at the mo so look out you lot!
I'll be taking it to the union as its NOT ON!
SID: FD jumpseats are a NO NO UK wide! (For leisure purposes).
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Good luck TJetBloke.
SID; If you were trying to get a different point across, then it was unclear. However, for those of us that do actually work in shiny aluminium tubes, the rules are clear and unambiguous.
1. Official duty staff travel on the flight deck is permitted with prior authorisation and an official company ID. This is for positioning crew/ engineers etc.
2. Leisure staff standby travel is permitted in the cabin ONLY
There are NO exceptions to these rules for any CAA regulated airline
If you have acquaintances who say different, I bet their Chief Pilot or the CAA are unaware. They had better hope a pax does not complain. This whole set of rules is set in stone by the CAA (rightly or wrongly)
You said you knew for a fact of UK airlines with official staff leisure policies allowing FD J/seat travel. Enlighten us, please do.
SID; If you were trying to get a different point across, then it was unclear. However, for those of us that do actually work in shiny aluminium tubes, the rules are clear and unambiguous.
1. Official duty staff travel on the flight deck is permitted with prior authorisation and an official company ID. This is for positioning crew/ engineers etc.
2. Leisure staff standby travel is permitted in the cabin ONLY
There are NO exceptions to these rules for any CAA regulated airline
If you have acquaintances who say different, I bet their Chief Pilot or the CAA are unaware. They had better hope a pax does not complain. This whole set of rules is set in stone by the CAA (rightly or wrongly)
You said you knew for a fact of UK airlines with official staff leisure policies allowing FD J/seat travel. Enlighten us, please do.
Last edited by flyinthesky; 10th May 2007 at 08:57. Reason: additional information
flyinthesky - your put down has made me see the error of my ways. I have deleted all my previous posts on the subject I raised and I withdraw any unsubstantiated post that I may have made. I shall return to flying for my virtual airline whilst listening to my airband scanner and I shall try to avoid troubling you and the other members of this forum who "do actually work in shiny aluminium tubes" again.
My humblest apologies.
SID
My humblest apologies.
SID
My company works around the time needed to notify destination immigration of the passenger list by closing bidding for standby tickets (for spare cabin crew seats) a week before departure. This gives time for notification of names to be sent. It isn't particularly flexible, but it works and gives a virtually guaranteed place for a buddy to travel.
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From what I understand it doesn't seem on at all for you guys!
And yes the Greek airlines are renowned for their safety and security operations lol!!!
Far from it as you may know!
Thus the reasoning why I got the chance of the occasional jump!
I must clarify, that when I did say it before, I didn't mean on a regular basis, and upon me actually reading my posts, it did sound that way!
Sorry for any confusion! Special days only hehe (aka relaxed conditions as usual!)
Keep up the good work posters, a great forum is only as good as its posters
And yes the Greek airlines are renowned for their safety and security operations
lol!!!Far from it as you may know!
Thus the reasoning why I got the chance of the occasional jump!
I must clarify, that when I did say it before, I didn't mean on a regular basis, and upon me actually reading my posts, it did sound that way!
Sorry for any confusion! Special days only hehe (aka relaxed conditions as usual!
)Keep up the good work posters, a great forum is only as good as its posters
