How a unique and open culture treats its staff......
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Pirate & Kriskross,
Old Air Force maxim ..... ? You forget PT and gang ARE ex-Air Force. If there is a problem, you are ordered to stand on your head in a bucket of **** and ignore it. No chance they may be Leaders of Men.
Old Air Force maxim ..... ? You forget PT and gang ARE ex-Air Force. If there is a problem, you are ordered to stand on your head in a bucket of **** and ignore it. No chance they may be Leaders of Men.
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No, I didn't forget. I'm not of the orange world so I've no knowledge of the personalities involved. It just goes to show that not everyone absorbs the good stuff that is taught. There was also some terrific teaching on the interlinking of Task Need, Individual Need and Team Maintenance need, a simple concept which has served me well these past xxx years. It would appear that this approach is sadly lacking in the airline industry today. A great pity.
No, I didn't forget. I'm not of the orange world so I've no knowledge of the personalities involved. It just goes to show that not everyone absorbs the good stuff that is taught. There was also some terrific teaching on the interlinking of Task Need, Individual Need and Team Maintenance need, a simple concept which has served me well these past xxx years. It would appear that this approach is sadly lacking in the airline industry today. A great pity.
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I honestly cannot believe the responses of some of the people on this forum, everyone is entitled to their opinion but come on guys have a heart eh!!
I know from personnal experience how much of an effect this kind of thing has on you, I have been at the controls of an aircraft when I have had alot of personnal issues at the time, and it is unsafe.
Think back, if you will, to that stress / performance curve in human factors and you will see why people are not able to operate under these kind of circumstances. An increase of stress will raise your performance until it reaches a certain level and then as you get pushed over the edge........it all goes horribly wrong!
We are human beings not robots and PEOPLE deserve to be treated with respect and compassion. The point that has been made about high hours is, imho, irrelevant ( although worth consideration). Whether a person has been with the company for three months and has just passed his/her LPC and not flown that year, or has served the company for 9 years and has done 900hrs is neither here or there. Everyone deserves their time to recover, grieve etc. Maybe the company would be better off supporting their employees by giving them some time off and then offering counselling. Some people would need it, some wont, some would be beck in a week some a month. We are all individuals and should be treated like it.
Some people would say that this is a business and that they cant afford to treat people like that. But dont forget one of the golden rules of business ' A happy workforce is a productive workforce'....this unhappy soul is only one link in the chain, but push someone like that too hard and they will break. You could be the pilot in the seat next to that person, you could have had a ****ty week but go to work anyway as there are two of you on that flightdeck right?? Wrong, there is effectively one of you. And when the lights all go out as they did on that BA 319 last week, who exactly will be sorting that out?
Fly Safe people!
I know from personnal experience how much of an effect this kind of thing has on you, I have been at the controls of an aircraft when I have had alot of personnal issues at the time, and it is unsafe.
Think back, if you will, to that stress / performance curve in human factors and you will see why people are not able to operate under these kind of circumstances. An increase of stress will raise your performance until it reaches a certain level and then as you get pushed over the edge........it all goes horribly wrong!
We are human beings not robots and PEOPLE deserve to be treated with respect and compassion. The point that has been made about high hours is, imho, irrelevant ( although worth consideration). Whether a person has been with the company for three months and has just passed his/her LPC and not flown that year, or has served the company for 9 years and has done 900hrs is neither here or there. Everyone deserves their time to recover, grieve etc. Maybe the company would be better off supporting their employees by giving them some time off and then offering counselling. Some people would need it, some wont, some would be beck in a week some a month. We are all individuals and should be treated like it.
Some people would say that this is a business and that they cant afford to treat people like that. But dont forget one of the golden rules of business ' A happy workforce is a productive workforce'....this unhappy soul is only one link in the chain, but push someone like that too hard and they will break. You could be the pilot in the seat next to that person, you could have had a ****ty week but go to work anyway as there are two of you on that flightdeck right?? Wrong, there is effectively one of you. And when the lights all go out as they did on that BA 319 last week, who exactly will be sorting that out?
Fly Safe people!
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This type of incident in Ezy is not an isolated case. A few spring to mind that are perhaps even worse that would make your toes curl. All are intensely personal in nature to the individuals involved and not for public consumption but all make my blood boil. If I can think of several cases off the top of my head I'm sure many others can - a sad indictment of the contemptuous way that this company sometimes treats its staff. The time will soon be upon us to stop the rot and stand up and be counted!
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Excellent post Flying Headbutt, thanks for that. Yes, the time is drawing near VERY quickly.
An upward lift in T's and C's is not enough now. Respect and the return of Professionalism will do very nicely as well.
An upward lift in T's and C's is not enough now. Respect and the return of Professionalism will do very nicely as well.
