Aer Lingus Recruitment?

[herecomesthebride]

hey,
just wondering if theres anyone from aer lingus on here who could shed some light on any planned or suspected pilot recruitment in al?i am one of the former cadets from years ago,eager to get back(or at least the shot at getting back in) heard recently about a possible airbus deal.....any info?any idea how the pay/pension would work out?any info would be greatly appreciated,loved it there dying to get back....
thanks in advance
BK

[maxalt]

You seriously want to go back to a company that dumped you on the street unceremoniously?
I heard many of your fellow trainees are approaching Commands at other airlines.
What happened to you?

[Cosmic Star]

You seriously want to go back to a company that dumped you on the street unceremoniously?

Maxalt, Are you f@#$ing kidding me? After they paid for their training, wages and living expenses while they were training. Pretty good deal I would have said.

[herecomesthebride]

hey,
yeah i do wanna go back,i too have a command with another airline,however i was treated far better by al than i am now...plus the way things are going for pilots,id rather be in an airline where union membership is compulsory....
BK

[notkahouse]

compulsory union membership

how naive you are.

grow up and get to hell out of this sh1t buisness

And how can you be grateful to an Airline that dumped you on the street.

how naive you are

Yes they paid for this that and the other but remember you also made sacrifices to go work for them.

how naive you are

[captplaystation]

I suspect that where you are now,is where Aer Lingus will be in 20 years time,but hey, better eat caviar now & sh*t in 20 years,than keep on troughing the brown stuff for now. All the best with re-adjusting to life in the right-side, depending on your age it's a no-brainer I reckon.

[maxalt]

Maxalt, Are you f@#$ing kidding me? After they paid for their training, wages and living expenses while they were training. Pretty good deal I would have said.

It might've been if the training was actually completed - and they'd been employed, as advertised.
But they weren't, were they.

Those guys went through selection procedures chosen by ALT. They probably represented the top 3% - 5% of the applicant group. Some had careers already which they resigned from, others dropped out of university to accept ALT's offer.
In short, we aren't talking about beggars lifted off the street here, so spare us the boot licking, forelock tugging inferences about what they were entitled to expect.

If you think that having gotten half way into a Cadet Course, which you've dropped out of university, or resigned your job for, only to be turfed out, is a 'pretty good deal' - you are sadly infected with the very mindset that has dragged our professional status into the gutter by devalueing pilots to the equivalent of 'charity cases' or 'hangers on', or a 'potential source of training income' - as in the Ryanair application fee/ type rating fee scam.

Its a two way street mate. ALT selected them and invested in them, expecting a healthy return down the line.

I'm not saying ALT weren't right to drop the trainees under the circumstances, but I'm amazed anyone would want to work for them afterward, much less give up yet another career to take achance on it happening again.

[jackbauer]

id rather be in an airline where union membership is compulsory....

Since the union did nothing to stop you being thrown out the first time why are you so convinced it will be able to do anything in the future? This might be very academic since the chances of EI recruiting in the near future are very slim. There are a LOT of guys on leave of absence so I'm sure they will get the nod first. Lets face it EI is a low cost operator now and any contracts in the future will reflect this.

[RogerIrrelevant69]

I believe Aer Lingus sent about one third of their cadets to baesystems in Jerez. Not one of the cadets there did not get to complete their training. That is a fact.

The cadets I knew seemed in no way disgruntled about it either. General attitude was: "ok no job at the end of it but **** it we just got €100k of free training + expenses...". Discuss.

[proxypilot]

Just to clarify, all the cadets in Jerez did finish the course but seen as they were let go before course end dates they did have to pay to something. It ranged from a few hundred euros to a few thousand, depending on a few things one of which was accomodation past estimated course finish date. Two courses were delayed by about a month, one had just finished.

As you say compared to the cost of the course and expenses it was small fry but don't be fooled into thinking the cadets got something for nothing, I'm assured the Oxford cadets also had fees to finish their course also.

The cadets I knew seemed in no way disgruntled about it either. General attitude was: "ok no job at the end of it but **** it we just got €100k of free training + expenses...".

I'm guessing the cadets you know are all in gainful employment, and those of us that are do indeed have that attitude because it's worked out for us. Remember not all the cadets have found jobs, there are still a few who haven't been able to get one. A free ATPL isn't worth much if you can't get a job and use it.

[herecomesthebride]

hey,

notkahouse,i find it interesting that you repeatedly call me naive,i think you should walk a mile in somebodys shoes before you judge them.you may think me naive,but then again i am happy in this business, and you dont seem to be,so why dont you get out?i am under no illusion as to how this business works,but from my perspective,long term al is the best option,one thing to remember is, that it is a business after all and somtimes bad things can happen,but you have to take the rough with the smooth and not let it turn you bitter as i see happening to so many of my colleagues...


p.s i am lookin for information from people inside the company,not an aerlingus slagging match...

thanks
BK

[snaga]

I don't work for Aer Lingus myself, but have some contacts who do. As I hear it your seniority and allied entitlements have been preserved and you will be offered employment before anyone else. When that might happen is another matter. Your position is a lot better than you might think from some of the comments above (notkahouse being a prime example). IMHO you would do a lot better to ask IALPA for the specifics than to post here.

[sikeano]

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p.s i am lookin for information from people inside the company,not an aerlingus slagging match...

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got to agree with this guy the forum is losing track

[Barber's Pole Bob]

A free ATPL yep fair enough but they did get treated badly -- like Training Capts sending them home during line training cos they weren't allowed to train them as if they got line checked they would become union members etc etc ....

Anyhow, most have seen the light and they have moved on and done well for themselves getting commands in EZY, Excel and GB and others at EK or Ethiad and Dragonair and BA...

EI is dead man's shoes now -- the old boys have gone early so no commands for a long time and no movement on the fleets so that A330 RHS won't come quickly.

The good days at EI have gone -- Gone forever !

[dlav]

could anyone in the know tell me if there is ANY recruitment going on at Aer Lingus at the moment?

If so, what sort of experience, hours etc.

Cheers

[snaga]

diav, there is none at the moment. When there is any the former cadets will all be offered positions first. When that might be is anyone's guess.

[maxalt]

and others at EK or Ethiad and Dragonair and BA...

Three more guys with around 7 years seniority under their belt at ALT just quit to go to Etihad! How ironic is that! They could well end up in the RHS with an ex ALT cadet sitting on the left! DOH!!

But wouldn't it be REALLY ironic if the ex-cadet in the LHS is one of these guys pining to return to the ould sod?

Life sure is funny.

[MrChris]

What?

This is insane. How can people be cadets, and then fired for no reason? How can people be excited to join something that was unreasonable and fired them as cadets to begin with?

As an analogy, it kind of sounds like this; "The grass looks very green, only to find out it's dead". Then you forget, and say later" The grass looks green again". That's completely crazy.

I've never heard anything so crazy.

[Boy]

This is insane ... How can people be cadets, and then fired for no reason?

It - the "no reason" - was called September 11th. Within days of that event Aer Lingus took the view that the aviation industry was going to change radically and permanently. The then Chief Executive of Aer Lingus (and current C.E.O. of British Airways) believed that Aer Lingus would not survive without severe retrenchment. He took kind of decisive action that most carriers chose not to take at the time. This included cancelling all cadet classes before the pilots concerned formally entered Aer Lingus, redundancy, etc. There was one year of losses and Aer Lingus has been profitable since that time.

It is understandable that the decisions made at that time had very unpleasant consequences for the cadets involved (though nobody ever mentions that there would have been no work for them if they had become full time employees). However, by all accounts their interests have been carefully looked after by IALPA in the interim. Mr Chris I note you are from the U.S. where pilots are furloughed all the time. You may not be aware that such a facility is not available to most carriers outside of the U.S.

[EI-CFC]

As Boy says, I think the reason people are happy to go back is because Aer Lingus did what it had to do at the time - without steps like that, there would be no Aer Lingus to go back to.

Aer Lingus even sold the art work that was contained with in it's head office as part of it's attempt to stay afloat - it wasn't like they made a casual desicion to just shrug off some staff, it really was a matter of life and death for Aer Lingus post September 11th.