Gulf Air - B767 pilots - Recruitment Agency
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Gulf Air - B767 pilots - Recruitment Agency
Gulf Air B767 pilot recruitment by agency.
Gulf Air is the throws of a dispute with its B767 pilots over terms and conditions with respect to duty time and pay. This dispute refers particularly to those pilots assigned to Gulf Traveler in Abu Dhabi.
Gulf Air is a government owned airline and does NOT allow unions or pilot associations to exist. Anyone organizing such a “group” is immediately dismissed and faces possible jail under a Muslim legal system.
Gulf Air management has made it known to its pilot group that it will not tolerate any pilot dissension and will sack any or all pilots without hesitation.
If you accept employment to join Gulf Air you will become embroiled in a bitter dispute between Gulf Air management and the established pilot group, both locals and expatriates.
You are advised to seek alternative employment unless this is your only option.
Gulf Air is the throws of a dispute with its B767 pilots over terms and conditions with respect to duty time and pay. This dispute refers particularly to those pilots assigned to Gulf Traveler in Abu Dhabi.
Gulf Air is a government owned airline and does NOT allow unions or pilot associations to exist. Anyone organizing such a “group” is immediately dismissed and faces possible jail under a Muslim legal system.
Gulf Air management has made it known to its pilot group that it will not tolerate any pilot dissension and will sack any or all pilots without hesitation.
If you accept employment to join Gulf Air you will become embroiled in a bitter dispute between Gulf Air management and the established pilot group, both locals and expatriates.
You are advised to seek alternative employment unless this is your only option.
<<Gulf Air is a government owned airline>>
Genuine question: are you sure this is currently the case?
<<does NOT allow unions or pilot associations to exist>>
one or two like that around the globe and they wonder why we refer to them as THIRD WORLD!
Genuine question: are you sure this is currently the case?
<<does NOT allow unions or pilot associations to exist>>
one or two like that around the globe and they wonder why we refer to them as THIRD WORLD!
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Where did you dig up this drivel? Show me the evidence of a "Bitter" fight! (to paraphase) As a matter of fact promised bonus' and increases in pay are the direction taken. I'm not sure what has prompted your spew but clean it up! State cases with facts and evidence or say nothing at all. Good Day
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Why would anyone in their right mind want to work for a country where its citizens have very limited rights and foreign workers have absolutely no rights at all.
Easy money is only good if you are around to spend it.
Easy money is only good if you are around to spend it.
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TCASTED,
You are making serious allegations. Do you have any proof ??
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I have been there for 7 months.
Granted, it isn't perfect but it is nothing like you are describing !!
Quite the opposite. There are serious improvements being made. Of course there is long way to go. But at least it is going that direction.
In the 7 months I have been here, we have had 4 pay increases and more to come in July. And that despite the fact they are still loosing money.
I just can't stand people who know nothing about a subject (or maybe a little bit) but then make statement like yours.
Don't spread misinformation without any proof.
Like I said, there are some problems.
But every airline out there has its fair share..
If you want a job and they won't take you, just say so but don't flame them like that. It is uncalled for.
But again if you have tangible proof, please share them with us..
Left Coaster, Right On !!!
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You are making serious allegations. Do you have any proof ??
"Union member will face the Muslim Legal System and possibly jail !!!
"Gulf Air management has made it known to its pilot group that it will not tolerate any pilot dissension and will sack any or all pilots without hesitation."
If you accept employment to join Gulf Air you will become embroiled in a bitter dispute between Gulf Air management and the established pilot group, both locals and expatriates
Gulf Air is the throws of a dispute with its B767 pilots over terms and conditions with respect to duty time and pay. This dispute refers particularly to those pilots assigned to Gulf Traveler in Abu Dhabi
I have been there for 7 months.
Granted, it isn't perfect but it is nothing like you are describing !!
Quite the opposite. There are serious improvements being made. Of course there is long way to go. But at least it is going that direction.
In the 7 months I have been here, we have had 4 pay increases and more to come in July. And that despite the fact they are still loosing money.
I just can't stand people who know nothing about a subject (or maybe a little bit) but then make statement like yours.
Don't spread misinformation without any proof.
Like I said, there are some problems.
But every airline out there has its fair share..
If you want a job and they won't take you, just say so but don't flame them like that. It is uncalled for.
But again if you have tangible proof, please share them with us..
Left Coaster, Right On !!!
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LEFT COASTER:
Reply? easy......
Please tell all;
Who is the head of the pilot union or group or association, or if there is one?
Perhaps the never ending meetings, moanings and groanings in the crew room on the third floor of the Al Diar hotel in AUH count as a union, assocaition or group?
If things are so good, why are pilots with over 20 yrs with Gulf Air leaving to join Emirates, Etihad and Qatar?
Perhaps you are one of the chosen few based in Bahrain(?).
But then of course, there is no difference between Gulf Air and Gulf Traveler (yeah, right, MF!!!).
In short, Gulf Air was founded in 1951 and Emirates was founded in 1985. Please examine the fleet sizes and route structure.
I rest my case.
Things are looking good......what planet are you from?
BIG YAWN..........LEFT COASTER, hang in there buddy GF needs cheerleaders like you!!!!!!!!
Reply? easy......
Please tell all;
Who is the head of the pilot union or group or association, or if there is one?
Perhaps the never ending meetings, moanings and groanings in the crew room on the third floor of the Al Diar hotel in AUH count as a union, assocaition or group?
If things are so good, why are pilots with over 20 yrs with Gulf Air leaving to join Emirates, Etihad and Qatar?
Perhaps you are one of the chosen few based in Bahrain(?).
But then of course, there is no difference between Gulf Air and Gulf Traveler (yeah, right, MF!!!).
In short, Gulf Air was founded in 1951 and Emirates was founded in 1985. Please examine the fleet sizes and route structure.
I rest my case.
Things are looking good......what planet are you from?
BIG YAWN..........LEFT COASTER, hang in there buddy GF needs cheerleaders like you!!!!!!!!
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Very Nice...I asked for facts and I get sarcasm...no need to be nasty. The moanings and groanings you talk about are universal. Read the EK whinges on this site. No difference. The big new shiny jets have the same complainers sitting in them. As far as "Union meetings" go, I have read what gets passed around in the crew rooms and await anything positive or factual to be put on paper. Maybe then I will have a look at what is transpiring. Until then I will not entertain any rumours or induendo. I asked for facts and you continue your rant. Still waiting to hear about the "bitter fight" Good Day
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I have no doubt that the Thai girls were treated poorly, on that I agree, but look a little deeper: The gentleman who was their boss has been removed and sanctioned for his treatment, and GF senior management is currently investigating that issue. As far as the "Kangaroo" statement, a lot of Pilots have seen the letter, which, by the way, is unsigned and therefore is only rumour. (and not much in the accountabilty department). When will you guys learn, unless it's on Company letter head and signed by an accountable manager, it's useless paper! You can bleat on all you want about how the boss is a jacka**, or ask for odds on survival, but facts are facts, rumours only make for good fodder for the weakminded...Good Day
BTW...I thought this was a "Bitter Fight" beween GF and it\'s Pilots, not about how Cabin Crew are treated...
BTW...I thought this was a "Bitter Fight" beween GF and it\'s Pilots, not about how Cabin Crew are treated...
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Well....I have never in my history on Pprune seen a more inaccurate posting than the one posted by our friend "Tcasted" keep it up "buddy" we need a good laugh once and a while!
Many of my friends have been here in excess of 20 years and NEVER had a late paycheck (wish I could say that in my 25 years as a pilot) glad to be here and you would be too...but hey maybe you were and they tossed you
so leave us be and stay away we're rebuilding an airline and dont need tossers like you!!! So time to get on the Harley and RIDE!!!!! yes thanx to my "paltry" GF paycheck I can afford to buy a new Harley and enjoy life!!!!
Many of my friends have been here in excess of 20 years and NEVER had a late paycheck (wish I could say that in my 25 years as a pilot) glad to be here and you would be too...but hey maybe you were and they tossed you so leave us be and stay away we're rebuilding an airline and dont need tossers like you!!! So time to get on the Harley and RIDE!!!!! yes thanx to my "paltry" GF paycheck I can afford to buy a new Harley and enjoy life!!!!
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LEFT COASTER/NTM:
Just a couple of points,
Gulf Air senior “management.” (To manage; 1. To handle or direct with a degree of skill. 2. To exercise executive, administrative and supervisory direction of a business). Certainly 1 does not apply and in 2, the direction has been and continues to be down hill – no pun intended, HOFO).
I doubt if Gulf Air senior management could “investigate” where the sand was coming from if the wind were blowing! You do not seriously have confidence in their combined ability to do anything with any degree of competence or impartiality do you? If so, you really are quite naïve.
Gulf Air is an established airline (over 50 years) with a seniority list of pilots, yet this is the SECOND time that the “management” is using outside contract pilots (who are getting paid more and will be offered permanent contracts). Why allow this to happen? Does it reflect on the ability of the First Officers? Certainly not, most of the F/O’s are highly competent and should be considered for upgrade training.
You do know of course that the initial Airbus lot from the same agency had to be put through the full type rating course!!!!!!! Yet the “management” will not consider the airline’s own F/O’s.
Unfortunately, there is no support from the Chief Pilot as he went “native” years ago.
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Be careful LEFT COASTER and NTM, when you eventually get called back to your respective airlines in the USA and/or Canada, they might think you are a soft touch.
ironbutt57:
I am sure the F/O's you fly with appreciate your total lack of support. The fact that you apparanlty support the GF management decision to totally bybass them for any consideration for upgrade does not surprise anyone.
Just a couple of points,
Gulf Air senior “management.” (To manage; 1. To handle or direct with a degree of skill. 2. To exercise executive, administrative and supervisory direction of a business). Certainly 1 does not apply and in 2, the direction has been and continues to be down hill – no pun intended, HOFO).
I doubt if Gulf Air senior management could “investigate” where the sand was coming from if the wind were blowing! You do not seriously have confidence in their combined ability to do anything with any degree of competence or impartiality do you? If so, you really are quite naïve.
Gulf Air is an established airline (over 50 years) with a seniority list of pilots, yet this is the SECOND time that the “management” is using outside contract pilots (who are getting paid more and will be offered permanent contracts). Why allow this to happen? Does it reflect on the ability of the First Officers? Certainly not, most of the F/O’s are highly competent and should be considered for upgrade training.
You do know of course that the initial Airbus lot from the same agency had to be put through the full type rating course!!!!!!! Yet the “management” will not consider the airline’s own F/O’s.
Unfortunately, there is no support from the Chief Pilot as he went “native” years ago.
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Be careful LEFT COASTER and NTM, when you eventually get called back to your respective airlines in the USA and/or Canada, they might think you are a soft touch.
ironbutt57:
I am sure the F/O's you fly with appreciate your total lack of support. The fact that you apparanlty support the GF management decision to totally bybass them for any consideration for upgrade does not surprise anyone.
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If the hotel you are refering to is the Al Diar Gulf hotel in AUH then you might like to know it does not have a third floor!! As an exercise I called the Thai Embassy in Bahrain and they say your info about a recruitment ban in UAE is simply not true. Also you might like to know the latest batch of Thai girls are due to arrive in GT/GF any day now. I think your axe with GF/GT is about to grind to a halt. Find a hole somewhere and climb in!!
If the hotel you are refering to is the Al Diar Gulf hotel in AUH then you might like to know it does not have a third floor!! As an exercise I called the Thai Embassy in Bahrain and they say your info about a recruitment ban in UAE is simply not true. Also you might like to know the latest batch of Thai girls are due to arrive in GT/GF any day now. I think your axe with GF/GT is about to grind to a halt. Find a hole somewhere and climb in!!
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Thanks vfenext, in the interest of common sense of which TCASTER seems to have too little of, I am not going to play any more. He doesnt seem to want to deal at all with the truth, and the sad attempts at stirring the pot fall short of a poor try.
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my dear TCASTED don't know quite how you arrived at the conclusion I support bypassing f.o.'s which I don't at all but as usual you are muddying the waters and blurring the facts to support your rantings the handle "donkey dick" you used before your brief tenure here suited you much better...and btw 3 senior qualified FO's are indeed now in the "command system" and undergoing their command assesment sectors with more to follow as training resources permit..and they will displace contract pilots when they are completed their training...so as usual, you have it all backwards..and GF have just recruited several Thai cabin crew as mentioned above...and the ones here are being offered, or have already been transferred to BAH to afford them opportunity to fly Airbus on GF mainline sectors and routes as SKY Nannies...so get your facts straight and quit trying to appear to defend the "underdog" as you did when you were here...they didn't need your kind of help!
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TCASTED, one more fact that appears to contradict your post.
The GDN today carries an article about - wait for it- the Gulf Air Trade Union!
The article also refers to the General Federation of Bahrain Trade Unions and the International Federation of Arab Workers Trade Union.
Whilst I admit that neither the GF Union nor the others are in the league of the Teamsters or the AFL-CIO, there are unions over there and once again, proves that your post is hardly accurate.
Want more?
Front page of the same paper has an article about the formation of a Trade Union in Qatar.
Such uninformed, biggoted assertions are out of place in any rational debate.
I await your apology to pprune readers and all muslims.
The GDN today carries an article about - wait for it- the Gulf Air Trade Union!
The article also refers to the General Federation of Bahrain Trade Unions and the International Federation of Arab Workers Trade Union.
Whilst I admit that neither the GF Union nor the others are in the league of the Teamsters or the AFL-CIO, there are unions over there and once again, proves that your post is hardly accurate.
Want more?
Front page of the same paper has an article about the formation of a Trade Union in Qatar.
Such uninformed, biggoted assertions are out of place in any rational debate.
I await your apology to pprune readers and all muslims.
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I have no idea what this lots about but bloody hell you lot dont seem to get along terribly well do you?
Might I suggest wearing a hat whilst out in the sun, thats what my mum always suggested.
Is working overseas really worth it if this is the sort of animosity that brews up? Best of luck guys.
Might I suggest wearing a hat whilst out in the sun, thats what my mum always suggested.
Is working overseas really worth it if this is the sort of animosity that brews up? Best of luck guys.
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No Codman, most people at Gulf Air are quite happy with their lot. It is just GF rejects and others that most probably couldn't get along with anyone anywhere, that use the anonimity of these forums to spread their venom.
Just look at Tcasted, he/she makes wild accusations that myself and others have countered with facts, and yet they keep ranting.
He/she slanders the GF CEO, and yet cannot come up with a shred of evidence to support their claim (re the demise of Ansett MKII).
Not only that, they have sought to denigrate the entire Middle East and other Islamic countries with accusations that are completly wrong. (ie. the statement that unions do not exist and are illegal).
Tcasted, you are a spineless, ugsome slubberdegullion.
Put up or shut up (after you apologise).
Just look at Tcasted, he/she makes wild accusations that myself and others have countered with facts, and yet they keep ranting.
He/she slanders the GF CEO, and yet cannot come up with a shred of evidence to support their claim (re the demise of Ansett MKII).
Not only that, they have sought to denigrate the entire Middle East and other Islamic countries with accusations that are completly wrong. (ie. the statement that unions do not exist and are illegal).
Tcasted, you are a spineless, ugsome slubberdegullion.
Put up or shut up (after you apologise).
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REM,
It is comments like these that incite hatred.
Who mentioned the word ‘Islam”, or ‘The entire Middle East’.
Are you trying to turn this into a religious post. I dare you, as I have plenty to say about that. Next, are you going to say that the world is conspiring against you?
I see in your profile that you are from ‘Infinity and beyond’. I believe it.
they have sought to denigrate the entire Middle East and other Islamic countries
Who mentioned the word ‘Islam”, or ‘The entire Middle East’.
Are you trying to turn this into a religious post. I dare you, as I have plenty to say about that. Next, are you going to say that the world is conspiring against you?
I see in your profile that you are from ‘Infinity and beyond’. I believe it.
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AV101,
You appear a little confused.
It was Tcasted in their first post who said that unions were outlawed in MUSLIM countries and members faced jail.
To enlighten you a little, a muslim is a follower of the Islamic faith, so that is where I got the word Islam from.
As for 'the entire Middle East", well, it is pretty much made up of Islamic/Muslim countries isn't it? (Sorry, yes Turkey is secular, 100 lashes for me! and then there is Israel, 200 lashes for that one!)
I have no intention of turning this into a religious post. I was merley pointing out the inaccuaracy of Tcasted's post and stating that it was a swipe at Islamic countries, and I provided evidence for my assertion (that unions are not illegal), something Tcasted has been a little short on. I was under the (obviously mistaken) impression that pprune readers are aware that islam/muslim is the same thing.
If you want to turn this into a religious debate, do it with Tcasted, not me!
Well said Ray Darr!
You appear a little confused.
It was Tcasted in their first post who said that unions were outlawed in MUSLIM countries and members faced jail.
To enlighten you a little, a muslim is a follower of the Islamic faith, so that is where I got the word Islam from.
As for 'the entire Middle East", well, it is pretty much made up of Islamic/Muslim countries isn't it? (Sorry, yes Turkey is secular, 100 lashes for me! and then there is Israel, 200 lashes for that one!)
I have no intention of turning this into a religious post. I was merley pointing out the inaccuaracy of Tcasted's post and stating that it was a swipe at Islamic countries, and I provided evidence for my assertion (that unions are not illegal), something Tcasted has been a little short on. I was under the (obviously mistaken) impression that pprune readers are aware that islam/muslim is the same thing.
If you want to turn this into a religious debate, do it with Tcasted, not me!
Well said Ray Darr!
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Most folks go to work for ME airlines for (generally) two reasons...
tax-free cash & tax-free cash.
Having personally spent a lot of time working for ME airlines (and enjoying aforementioned tax-free cash), found it quite OK, so long as you didn't take the area too seriously...just fly the plane, and go home when your pot is full.
Some however consistantly throw darts at those who do go to the ME...never understood just why.
Yes, the tax-free cash ain't what it used to be, and there are troubles aplenty in the area, but hey, the aircraft are generally new and well looked after, so what's the beef with some guys?
Maybe..just maybe, they couldn't cut the mustard in the first place.
tax-free cash & tax-free cash.
Having personally spent a lot of time working for ME airlines (and enjoying aforementioned tax-free cash), found it quite OK, so long as you didn't take the area too seriously...just fly the plane, and go home when your pot is full.
Some however consistantly throw darts at those who do go to the ME...never understood just why.
Yes, the tax-free cash ain't what it used to be, and there are troubles aplenty in the area, but hey, the aircraft are generally new and well looked after, so what's the beef with some guys?
Maybe..just maybe, they couldn't cut the mustard in the first place.