TORA greater than ASDA????
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TORA greater than ASDA????
In my part A it states that only 2 RVRs (touch down and midpoint) are required for take off if the TORA exceeds the ASDA by 2/3.
How can the TORA be greater than the ASDA?This surely must be a misprint?Or am I missing something?
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How can the TORA be greater than the ASDA?This surely must be a misprint?Or am I missing something?
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Accelerate-stop distance available (ASDA) defined as the length of
the take-off run available plus the length of any stopway. TORA cannot be greater than ASDA. Misprint.
the take-off run available plus the length of any stopway. TORA cannot be greater than ASDA. Misprint.
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Hi Bob, Depends on how your performance data is presented. Do you have generalised performance figures so you could see if you could take off OK from a runway that's 2/3rds of your TORA?
Our performance is lap top generated so it's easy.
Our performance is lap top generated so it's easy.
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Hi Rudderrudderrat,
As line Pilots we do not have laptops, however our OPS department do. I think the best way to tackle this problem would be to ask them to work it out. I have a feeling the response I would get would be “COMPUTER SAYS NO
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As line Pilots we do not have laptops, however our OPS department do. I think the best way to tackle this problem would be to ask them to work it out. I have a feeling the response I would get would be “COMPUTER SAYS NO
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ASD vs TORA
When the take-off run available (TORA) exceeds the calculated accelerate-stop distance (ASD), then only the number of RVR values relating to the ASD must be at or above those required in the table above.
E.g. ASD 2000 m, TORA 3000 m: only 2 RVR's must be at or above take-off minima. The RVR for the initial part may be replaced by Commanders assessment, but not in the 125 m take-off case.
When the take-off run available (TORA) exceeds the calculated accelerate-stop distance (ASD), then only the number of RVR values relating to the ASD must be at or above those required in the table above.
E.g. ASD 2000 m, TORA 3000 m: only 2 RVR's must be at or above take-off minima. The RVR for the initial part may be replaced by Commanders assessment, but not in the 125 m take-off case.
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Calculated ASD=required ASD (for given conditions)=physical distance that will be used.
Hence if the Take Off Run Available (physical tarmac available) exceeds the required ASD then only the relevant RVRs need be taken into account, i.e. if well airborne by stop-end (in the case of TORA>>calculated ASD), stop-end is irrelevant.
The 125m case can now include pilot assessment if the touch-down RVR is missing - according to newly issued Jeppesen 600 pages.
Hence if the Take Off Run Available (physical tarmac available) exceeds the required ASD then only the relevant RVRs need be taken into account, i.e. if well airborne by stop-end (in the case of TORA>>calculated ASD), stop-end is irrelevant.
The 125m case can now include pilot assessment if the touch-down RVR is missing - according to newly issued Jeppesen 600 pages.
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When the take-off run available (TORA) exceeds the calculated accelerate-stop distance (ASD), then only the number of RVR values relating to the ASD must be at or above those required in the table above.
When the last third of the runway is not required for rejected takeoff
performance purposes, a minimum RVR of 75 metres must be
available in that segment.
performance purposes, a minimum RVR of 75 metres must be
available in that segment.
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Bit of a different way of saying whats in our Pt A
I don't think so - each is saying that the ASDA exceeds the ASDR albeit one tries it with some numbers to indicate the amount of fat .. one could have expressed the matter in a somewhat simpler fashion.
For the first post, read ASDR instead of ASDA.
I don't think so - each is saying that the ASDA exceeds the ASDR albeit one tries it with some numbers to indicate the amount of fat .. one could have expressed the matter in a somewhat simpler fashion.
For the first post, read ASDR instead of ASDA.