Flash Strike at AI The truth will set you free
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Flash Strike at AI The truth will set you free
Air India employees on strike, domestic flights hit
Obviously there is something brewing there, even the most cold hearted would otherwise have not made of this opportunity
Obviously there is something brewing there, even the most cold hearted would otherwise have not made of this opportunity
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You see now why unions are no good...Who knows what forces are at work here behind the scenes.Who do you think is actually going to benefit from this strike ??? And Who do you think is actually going to lose ? (Not AI- Its The Taxpayer Sir) Are all those members FOR a strike ? Really!
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even the most cold hearted would otherwise have not made of this opportunity
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Don't know what to say anymore. Having dealt with manpower in India it is hard to see anything in black and White, especially where politics is involved.
19 years ago I took my last AI flight and 10 Years ago IC. Might be another 20 before I try them again
19 years ago I took my last AI flight and 10 Years ago IC. Might be another 20 before I try them again
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The engineers reason to strike as given in a statement by them to the media
Story behind Air India strike, as told by engineers
Now what is confusing is the statement below from their reasons
Last I checked KF has 320 and more soever uses them in IXE
Flight Schedule
So is the AI engineer stating that the KF engineers are not competent?
Is there some other reason for a KF engineer to be not certified on a particular type of 320 (ie Older model vs newer ones)?
Story behind Air India strike, as told by engineers
Now what is confusing is the statement below from their reasons
At Mangalore, there was no Air India (AI) engineer to certify it to fly out. So a Kingfisher engineer, apparently not qualified to certify an Airbus 320, was asked to certify the flight and did.
Read more at: h
Read more at: h
Flight Schedule
So is the AI engineer stating that the KF engineers are not competent?
Is there some other reason for a KF engineer to be not certified on a particular type of 320 (ie Older model vs newer ones)?
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Could the type of engines fitted to the AI A320 mean that a KF engineer couldn't sign for it? AI and IC seem to use a mixture some aircraft have V2500 and others have CFM56. KF have V2500 engines on their A320s.
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It was just a transit check......can be done by any Capt or senior F/O in any airline which has got its flt crew trained and approved by DGCA for this purpose(even Alliance Air)
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If that is indeed the case then there are a bunch of cold hearted souls working in that airline that took some misguided advice.
Would like to see them out on their butts
If that is indeed the case then there are a bunch of cold hearted souls working in that airline that took some misguided advice.
Would like to see them out on their butts
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Not so soon about my wish! There is a small rider that they can be re instated by the board of directors ie the government.
If you saw the news bites yesterday the usual culprits (the CPI) was hollering bloody murder that how could govt employees be sacked as they had mouths to feed and this was un democratic etc etc.
Me thinks that post this union being crushed, a concerted effort should be made to crush these political parties that give rise to such nonsense.
Not so soon about my wish! There is a small rider that they can be re instated by the board of directors ie the government.
If you saw the news bites yesterday the usual culprits (the CPI) was hollering bloody murder that how could govt employees be sacked as they had mouths to feed and this was un democratic etc etc.
Me thinks that post this union being crushed, a concerted effort should be made to crush these political parties that give rise to such nonsense.
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Me thinks that post this union being crushed, a concerted effort should be made to crush these political parties that give rise to such nonsense.
I will like to know if you are basing your opinion on the news in media or if you have some insider information about the functioning of the unions at AI?
Because if its based on media news, then you are liable to get heavily misguided as competence of journalists in the knowledge of Trade Union laws is just as good as their competence in knowledge of aviation accidents, the latter has competence has be demonstrated in the wild guess work in the recent crash.
Your words can be read as,
"First lets take away the right of workers to be represented by unions and then take away right of citizens to have representation in governance."
And all this for what? Just so that few thousand citizens/visitors can fly to their destinations? Is that worth it?
You must make efforts to understand that worker rights are just as important as property rights for efficient and productive functioning of an economy.
In India workers right are already so restricted and you advocate to snatch from them even the last vestiges of the rights.
In my opinion crushing the unions and crushing CPI is not the solution to our industrial problem, the real solution is strengthening the unions by detaching them from political patronage.
If role of the unions is to protect and advance the worker rights, they should be able to demand it from legislature in a non partisan manner.
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Me thinks that post this union being crushed, a concerted effort should be made to crush these political parties that give rise to such nonsense
Devil's Advocate: Bardhan fears Mamata as CM - Politics - ibnlive
Yes, 4 per cent more votes we have got.
Hehe Congratulations!
I would even use the word debacle in some respects.
Hehe You should now,Shouldn't you ?
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In my opinion crushing the unions and crushing CPI is not the solution to our industrial problem, the real solution is strengthening the unions by detaching them from political patronage.
I only wish that your above statement could be implemented. Unfortunately it is practically impossible to do so for a multitude of reasons too extensive to list and otherwise very obvious. But yes Unions were formed with a noble idea in mind, they have moved away from that in recent time to hooligan like behavior irrational demands and a kind of employment to the otherwise non employable goons that are on the payroll of so many political parties. Hence it's time has come and gone and a new solution is to be found.
I am not advocating a China like atmosphere for the workers, however in the US the unions have mostly disappeared with the auto workers union being the last one standing that has been relatively muted over the past few years. The latest BASSA strike in the UK seems to have run out of steam and support also.
"First lets take away the right of workers to be represented by unions and then take away right of citizens to have representation in governance."
Times have changed and with information flow no worker is dumb and knows his rights. You will be surprised how well they are versed with thier "rights". More prevalent in villages than in cities. This is first hand knowledge as I have gotten more than one HR lesson from them in the past.
Apologize if I sound a bit harsh against unions but have been subject to their action and antagonized purely because I refused to "donate" to their political leaders and support an irrational thought that borderline on "company to provide barber services if they want us to shave everyday" Trust me a 15 day strike on this issue! and no other at all.....................
Mamta coming in........... Hmmmm out of the pot into the fire maybe?
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My Words can also be read as lets stop this constant blackmailing and mass agitations and concentrate on developing and recovering.
Times have changed and with information flow no worker is dumb and knows his rights. You will be surprised how well they are versed with thier "rights". More prevalent in villages than in cities. This is first hand knowledge as I have gotten more than one HR lesson from them in the past.
Times have changed and with information flow no worker is dumb and knows his rights. You will be surprised how well they are versed with thier "rights". More prevalent in villages than in cities. This is first hand knowledge as I have gotten more than one HR lesson from them in the past.
As far as American unions stand, their memberships has been on steady decline since 1940s on to see a slight jump in 2007, I guess hard economic times will see trend reversal.
Unlike Indian counterparts, American labor unions are non partisan, which reflects in some sense their success in attaining favorable workmen rights.
For example in California, firing a worker solely in the basis of his affiliation to a labor union is illegal, as opposed to the stunt shown by Naresh Goel by firing pilots for setting up a union, and then getting a favorable inunction from a high court.
In state of California, employers cannot have employees on bonds. Also charging fees for initial screening of employees too is outlawed. Compare this to what GoAir is doing by charging 10,000.00 for interview.
And its not just the pilots, the average private security guard who begins a new job has to pay for his uniform out of his pockets. I will leave it to you to figure out how many of these guards get the minimum wages equivalent, you will be seeing several of these around at office complexes, malls, residential buildings... just ask them how much they get. These are the fortunate ones to be part of labor in organised sector. The tales of unorganised labor is sorrier still.
The ubiquitous practice of organisations' insistence on getting a "No Objection Certificate" from previous employer, in a subtle manner infringes on worker rights.
Having said that, I agree that unions are unproductive but we don't yet have any credible substitute to them.
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Far too many people fighting for too few jobs, compounded with mis information and the inherent desire of the Desi to make a quick buck!.
Re: Security guards. Agree it is pitiful and is just one of many such positions in India. Now if my full time employees would stop threatening me with a strike at the drop of a hat, then maybe I would not get those contract workers who tend to take more abuse....
In India I have often seen a person come begging for a job agreeing to sell his soul for the company. The day he gets his first payroll and his stomach is full a local term called "Haq" develops and this causes many an issue and his soul selling words just disappear into a hollow promise.
Note: By soul selling simple things such as
-Thou shall come to work on time
-Thou shall not amble around work and do jobs assigned within your JD
- Thou shall not abuse company privileges
- Thou shall not demand 16% annual increments
- Thou shall not steal
- Thou shall not instigate rebellion
- Thou shall not try by all means to get your wife/Uncle/Uncles wife/Uncles Father/Aunt/Her nephew forcibaly hired
- Thou shall not become a "Dada" and demand tea and hafta from others
But alas............H A Q
Re: Security guards. Agree it is pitiful and is just one of many such positions in India. Now if my full time employees would stop threatening me with a strike at the drop of a hat, then maybe I would not get those contract workers who tend to take more abuse....
In India I have often seen a person come begging for a job agreeing to sell his soul for the company. The day he gets his first payroll and his stomach is full a local term called "Haq" develops and this causes many an issue and his soul selling words just disappear into a hollow promise.
Note: By soul selling simple things such as
-Thou shall come to work on time
-Thou shall not amble around work and do jobs assigned within your JD
- Thou shall not abuse company privileges
- Thou shall not demand 16% annual increments
- Thou shall not steal
- Thou shall not instigate rebellion
- Thou shall not try by all means to get your wife/Uncle/Uncles wife/Uncles Father/Aunt/Her nephew forcibaly hired
- Thou shall not become a "Dada" and demand tea and hafta from others
But alas............H A Q
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You are right, and its hard to make people understand how hire and fire works wonders to labor force itself.
Just like it is difficult for people to believe that increased property taxes reduce real estate price, and ultimately increases housing afford-ability.
Just like it is difficult for people to believe that increased property taxes reduce real estate price, and ultimately increases housing afford-ability.
