For MAS Pilots ONLY Pt.2
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MAS has & always will be a political animal.When MAS was formed when they split from MSA (Malaysia Singapore Airlines), SQ got the cherry to built their international routes & MH had to pick up the pieces to take part in building the nation.
From day one MH was shackled by it's charter to provide a minimal cost mode of transportation to integrate the nation (east & west Malaysia which was separated by the South China Sea), hence the inability to make tonnes of profit like SQ.On top of it all, it provides rural air services at below cost to the interior natives.When the gov't embraced the South South cooperation seriously, MH had to mount loss making routes to maintain business & political ties with those nations.However all this loss would translate to a plus for the gov't in the macro perspective as business & tourist money will flow in.
Gov't bailouts of cooperation happens elsewhere whether in a third world or "First World Democratically elected Nations" just look at LCTM & recently where the NZ Gov't rescued ANZ & shafted AN
.At the end of the day values are changed to suit the situation at hand.
Slash, I totally agree with you.Us third worlders should emulate the first world values......... .Ok let me start with recent events ........
Hmmmm......
i) Oz PM lying to win election. .ii) Oz Gov't agency spying on their citizens. .iii) Enron on corporate transparency. .iv) Bailouts & handouts to ANZ,airlines in America,LCTM etc..... .v)America adopting detention without trial laws...
Phew!And the list goes on!Hey!I guess we are not far off from the mark then eh mate? . .
As for the fisherman in Malaysia.....I personally know that a few of them have bungalows & a few ships.Guess they have more political & purchasing power than the pilots! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
Safe flying all!
<img src="cool.gif" border="0"> . .PILOST
From day one MH was shackled by it's charter to provide a minimal cost mode of transportation to integrate the nation (east & west Malaysia which was separated by the South China Sea), hence the inability to make tonnes of profit like SQ.On top of it all, it provides rural air services at below cost to the interior natives.When the gov't embraced the South South cooperation seriously, MH had to mount loss making routes to maintain business & political ties with those nations.However all this loss would translate to a plus for the gov't in the macro perspective as business & tourist money will flow in.
Gov't bailouts of cooperation happens elsewhere whether in a third world or "First World Democratically elected Nations" just look at LCTM & recently where the NZ Gov't rescued ANZ & shafted AN
.At the end of the day values are changed to suit the situation at hand.Slash, I totally agree with you.Us third worlders should emulate the first world values......... .Ok let me start with recent events ........
Hmmmm......
i) Oz PM lying to win election. .ii) Oz Gov't agency spying on their citizens. .iii) Enron on corporate transparency. .iv) Bailouts & handouts to ANZ,airlines in America,LCTM etc..... .v)America adopting detention without trial laws...
Phew!And the list goes on!Hey!I guess we are not far off from the mark then eh mate? . .
As for the fisherman in Malaysia.....I personally know that a few of them have bungalows & a few ships.Guess they have more political & purchasing power than the pilots! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
Safe flying all!
<img src="cool.gif" border="0"> . .PILOST
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Pilost, that is not why MAS is losing money hand over fist, so called obligations to connect the east and west, and RAS. Bolderdash!
Its the corrupt awarding of contracts, rediculious prices paid for supplementary services, vanishing assets, lack of transparent accountability and the list goes on.
The problems are far more ingrained, and multi-faceted and culturally accepted than in other countries. More the pity! It is noble of the Government to rescue MAS, and so it should, it is an incredible foreign currency earner, as well as being the flag carrier. It stands to reason to keep it going.
To make a point, it seems the so called new budget airline can still fly under the fixed prices of the Government for MAS, to and from east & west, and make money, so your arguement fails you there. It's about efficiency, and accountability. Very simple.
Its the corrupt awarding of contracts, rediculious prices paid for supplementary services, vanishing assets, lack of transparent accountability and the list goes on.
The problems are far more ingrained, and multi-faceted and culturally accepted than in other countries. More the pity! It is noble of the Government to rescue MAS, and so it should, it is an incredible foreign currency earner, as well as being the flag carrier. It stands to reason to keep it going.
To make a point, it seems the so called new budget airline can still fly under the fixed prices of the Government for MAS, to and from east & west, and make money, so your arguement fails you there. It's about efficiency, and accountability. Very simple.
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In one move the Malaysian government by forming the ‘new’ MAS had swept all the debts and losses under the carpet. What you think that the creditors will go home empty handed. The new paymaster for all the losses will be borne from the taxpayer’s funds.
All the old crooks had gone home or migrated rich and retired happy at the expense of future taxpayers.
As for the fishermen they have their trade unions vs MAPA, ta’ada apa. Depending on some young urn to be president with no clouts and experience. MAPA setup is wrong, should have a supreme council to elect senior office bearers otherwise if you can influence the pilots on B737 you can be President at age 25 or younger.
As for my pea-brained idea of saving MAS some money I had recalculated it can cut down cost RM100 million per annum, not that it can make a big dent on MAS losses. Will come up with it when the time is ripe. Anyone got better cost saving ideas or are you not willing to share (another typical MAS culture).
All the old crooks had gone home or migrated rich and retired happy at the expense of future taxpayers.
As for the fishermen they have their trade unions vs MAPA, ta’ada apa. Depending on some young urn to be president with no clouts and experience. MAPA setup is wrong, should have a supreme council to elect senior office bearers otherwise if you can influence the pilots on B737 you can be President at age 25 or younger.
As for my pea-brained idea of saving MAS some money I had recalculated it can cut down cost RM100 million per annum, not that it can make a big dent on MAS losses. Will come up with it when the time is ripe. Anyone got better cost saving ideas or are you not willing to share (another typical MAS culture).
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MAS always seems to generate a lot of good, interesting debate... this is the second thread to reach the magic 100-posts closure point.
Feel free to keep the debate going on a new thread. Also, it's been a reasonably clean fight so far, with just a couple of "moments." Lets keep it that way.
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Feel free to keep the debate going on a new thread. Also, it's been a reasonably clean fight so far, with just a couple of "moments." Lets keep it that way.
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