For MAS Pilots ONLY Pt.2
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What's new ??? Somebody is gonna make money again......... Taxpayers never learn !!!!
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For the record here I would like to state that MAS allows double standard in their Airline.
They recognise Australian ATPL for expats and those cadet they sent to Australia for basic training but would not give recognition to other Malaysian who want to sit for the Aussie ATPL.
Its the same for Indonesian and Phillipines ATPL which follows the FAA system.
They recognise Australian ATPL for expats and those cadet they sent to Australia for basic training but would not give recognition to other Malaysian who want to sit for the Aussie ATPL.
Its the same for Indonesian and Phillipines ATPL which follows the FAA system.
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The train service from KL-Sepang is really being miscalculated as far as fare goes.
At RM35 I better get a taxi to Sepang straight from home at RM40 minus the hassle.
The hassle of loading bags twice and especially carrying it up the steep steps at Brickfield.
It cost me RM12 to get to the train station.
When the LRT started at RM3.50 to KL...there were few pax. Now at RM1.50 we have a good crowd.
So fare should be at RM15 for it to be viable.
If you don't believe me just wait and see.
At RM35 I better get a taxi to Sepang straight from home at RM40 minus the hassle.
The hassle of loading bags twice and especially carrying it up the steep steps at Brickfield.
It cost me RM12 to get to the train station.
When the LRT started at RM3.50 to KL...there were few pax. Now at RM1.50 we have a good crowd.
So fare should be at RM15 for it to be viable.
If you don't believe me just wait and see.
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You're more than right FL, if one arrived in KLIA, with his wife/children, might as well take the Airport Limo straight from the arrival level to the hotel at a cheaper fare. Saves them from carrying the bags downstairs to the ERL Station then loading them in another cab to the hotel. Less time, less money spent less hassle. . . But like before, the government will wait for the travelling public to complain, reduced the fare, and compensate YTL ( in the form of another takeover ...spelt Bailout ). Seen that one before ?
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FL,. .The question of whether or not MAS will approve Aust ATPL does not arise at all at this level.
The big question is how to gain the Aust ATPL in the first place. MAS has always had locals with Aust ATPLs and the conversion is done by sitting for a couple of papers at home. Therefore, MAS will then accept the "Malaysian ATPL".
Give DCA a call and pay homage to their officers, seek and you shall find.
Also I'm sure the CAA (Aust) has a website as to their requirements for the issuance of licenses. <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
The big question is how to gain the Aust ATPL in the first place. MAS has always had locals with Aust ATPLs and the conversion is done by sitting for a couple of papers at home. Therefore, MAS will then accept the "Malaysian ATPL".
Give DCA a call and pay homage to their officers, seek and you shall find.
Also I'm sure the CAA (Aust) has a website as to their requirements for the issuance of licenses. <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
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Login...DCA does not recognise Malaysian sitting for their own Australian ATPL, unless you are send by MAS for cadet training in Aussie land.. .This was effective for those sent by MAS in 1971.
Hence this double standard.
Hence this double standard.
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I support OLDACE99.
From 1971 to 1990 as far as I know Department of Civil Aviation ONLY recognised British ATPL for Malaysian (with the exception of MAS cadets trained in Australia).
Due to the heavy commitment of the CAA ATPL exams some local pilots enquired about the Aust ATPL and were told negative.
When did you enquired about yours.....after 1990 when even the local ATPL is as easy as the Aust ATPL.
From 1971 to 1990 as far as I know Department of Civil Aviation ONLY recognised British ATPL for Malaysian (with the exception of MAS cadets trained in Australia).
Due to the heavy commitment of the CAA ATPL exams some local pilots enquired about the Aust ATPL and were told negative.
When did you enquired about yours.....after 1990 when even the local ATPL is as easy as the Aust ATPL.
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From The Business Times, Singapore. .30 January 2002
KL keen to have foreign partner in new MAS: Dr M . .It will be a company that operates an airline and doesn't own any. .assets . .By Eddie Toh
THE Malaysian government is keen to take in a foreign strategic. .partner for the new company (Newco) that will assume the profitable. .international operations and listing status of Malaysian Airline. .System (MAS), according to Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad. 'Yes, for. .the operation of MAS, we are still interested (in foreign partners),'. .he told reporters yesterday.
The premier, who is also the finance minister, added: 'But we will. .have to know what their intention is, because it will be a company. .that operates an airline and doesn't own any assets.'
Dr Mahathir also indicated that there was no need for the government. .to hold a golden share in Newco, which will be majority controlled by. .the government through MAS.
. . . .'The government has enough say. There is no need for the golden. .share,' he said. The government, which renationalised MAS last year,. .owns a golden share that carries wide-ranging veto power.
On Monday, MAS announced that it would transfer its international. .passenger and cargo operations to Newco, which will also assume the. .listing status of MAS.
MAS, which will be delisted and become a wholly owned subsidiary of. .the government, will then control the money-losing domestic. .operations. The old MAS will also house the group's assets and. .liabilities.
Dr Mahathir yesterday said the delisting of MAS will not involve. .government funds. This means that the government has ruled out a. .general offer for the remaining 17 per cent that it does not own in. .MAS.
Analysts said the latest revamp is positive for MAS shareholders, who. .are likely to be asked to swap their shares for shares in Newco. 'The. .corporate exercise should be positive for shareholders as MAS will be. .free from the burden of its loss-making domestic passenger services,'. .said Kim Eng Securities in a research note.
The counter has risen 17 per cent in the past two days, closing at. .RM3.52 yesterday.
Analysts said the absence of a golden share in Newco would help. .facilitate the entry of a foreign partner. However, they added that. .there are now fewer foreign suitors for the new MAS following the Sept. .11 terrorist incidents.
SwissAir, for instance, which held preliminary discussions with the. .government last year, has since filed for bankruptcy.
Even Singapore Airlines, which was the most profitable airline in the. .world, may register its maiden loss this year.
Despite government assistance, the Malaysian carrier is not out of the. .woods yet. MAS is expected to register its fifth year of loss for the. .year ending March 2002. It has lost a total of RM2.5 billion (S$1.2. .billion) in the past four years.
But the management of MAS said Newco would be profitable from Day One. .as it would not have to shoulder the group's huge debts of nearly RM10. .billion.
<a href="http://business-times.asia1.com.sg" target="_blank">http://business-times.asia1.com.sg</a>
. .My view: This setup post more questions than answers. It looks like a whole lot of confusion.. .What asset, what, what.
KL keen to have foreign partner in new MAS: Dr M . .It will be a company that operates an airline and doesn't own any. .assets . .By Eddie Toh
THE Malaysian government is keen to take in a foreign strategic. .partner for the new company (Newco) that will assume the profitable. .international operations and listing status of Malaysian Airline. .System (MAS), according to Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad. 'Yes, for. .the operation of MAS, we are still interested (in foreign partners),'. .he told reporters yesterday.
The premier, who is also the finance minister, added: 'But we will. .have to know what their intention is, because it will be a company. .that operates an airline and doesn't own any assets.'
Dr Mahathir also indicated that there was no need for the government. .to hold a golden share in Newco, which will be majority controlled by. .the government through MAS.
. . . .'The government has enough say. There is no need for the golden. .share,' he said. The government, which renationalised MAS last year,. .owns a golden share that carries wide-ranging veto power.
On Monday, MAS announced that it would transfer its international. .passenger and cargo operations to Newco, which will also assume the. .listing status of MAS.
MAS, which will be delisted and become a wholly owned subsidiary of. .the government, will then control the money-losing domestic. .operations. The old MAS will also house the group's assets and. .liabilities.
Dr Mahathir yesterday said the delisting of MAS will not involve. .government funds. This means that the government has ruled out a. .general offer for the remaining 17 per cent that it does not own in. .MAS.
Analysts said the latest revamp is positive for MAS shareholders, who. .are likely to be asked to swap their shares for shares in Newco. 'The. .corporate exercise should be positive for shareholders as MAS will be. .free from the burden of its loss-making domestic passenger services,'. .said Kim Eng Securities in a research note.
The counter has risen 17 per cent in the past two days, closing at. .RM3.52 yesterday.
Analysts said the absence of a golden share in Newco would help. .facilitate the entry of a foreign partner. However, they added that. .there are now fewer foreign suitors for the new MAS following the Sept. .11 terrorist incidents.
SwissAir, for instance, which held preliminary discussions with the. .government last year, has since filed for bankruptcy.
Even Singapore Airlines, which was the most profitable airline in the. .world, may register its maiden loss this year.
Despite government assistance, the Malaysian carrier is not out of the. .woods yet. MAS is expected to register its fifth year of loss for the. .year ending March 2002. It has lost a total of RM2.5 billion (S$1.2. .billion) in the past four years.
But the management of MAS said Newco would be profitable from Day One. .as it would not have to shoulder the group's huge debts of nearly RM10. .billion.
<a href="http://business-times.asia1.com.sg" target="_blank">http://business-times.asia1.com.sg</a>
. .My view: This setup post more questions than answers. It looks like a whole lot of confusion.. .What asset, what, what.
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even the local ATPL is as easy as the Aust ATPL.
Whoaaa, wait a minute here. Would anyone from godzone would like to comment on this? I have never seen the exam but I know friends whom have sat and passed, only after a few attempts.
Also FL, you can support anyone you like, because from where I stand, it's a free country. What I stated were facts and you may choose to verify it by doing the work yourself or to completely disregard them. After all, this is PPRuNe!!
I did mine in 85' thank you very much, when it was still "difficult"...and WOW!Big picture > What's the big deal anyway?
What you know isn't complete and I really do not give a rat's a$$ to what you think you know.
Whoaaa, wait a minute here. Would anyone from godzone would like to comment on this? I have never seen the exam but I know friends whom have sat and passed, only after a few attempts.
Also FL, you can support anyone you like, because from where I stand, it's a free country. What I stated were facts and you may choose to verify it by doing the work yourself or to completely disregard them. After all, this is PPRuNe!!
I did mine in 85' thank you very much, when it was still "difficult"...and WOW!Big picture > What's the big deal anyway?
What you know isn't complete and I really do not give a rat's a$$ to what you think you know.
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As in most ex colonial countries, in Malaysia,the syllabus is modelled after the UK requirements.Thus,pilots here are required to sit for the CAA 6 (ATPL) & recently HPL.All are UK CAA International exam papers & are marked in UK.
Malaysian DCA will recognize ICAO ATPL licenses for conversion to a Malaysian license subject to their terms & conditions.Thus,the general requirement to sit for Air Law only for the expats who come to work here.For the locals however DCA are a bit sticky & will review their license application on a case by case basis.Have heard of some guys who tried the Oz or FAA ATPL & were told to do some (not all 6) of the CAA papers & HPL to convert their license.
To say that the Oz ATPL is easy as the Malaysian ATPL (although the papers are CAA Int'l UK) is like comparing apples & oranges.The Oz ATPL is geared towards their enviroment & peculiarities with emphasis on practicality (I have to say that this is my personal opinion).As for the Malaysian ATPL.......... it's a paper set by the poms.......need I say more?
At the end of the day,the licensing authority are the respectives DCA's,so if there is double standards....... blame them on the authorities...... have to agree though that the expats here get it easy compared to some other authorities.....
. .Safe Flying All.
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[ 30 January 2002: Message edited by: PILOST ]</p>
Malaysian DCA will recognize ICAO ATPL licenses for conversion to a Malaysian license subject to their terms & conditions.Thus,the general requirement to sit for Air Law only for the expats who come to work here.For the locals however DCA are a bit sticky & will review their license application on a case by case basis.Have heard of some guys who tried the Oz or FAA ATPL & were told to do some (not all 6) of the CAA papers & HPL to convert their license.
To say that the Oz ATPL is easy as the Malaysian ATPL (although the papers are CAA Int'l UK) is like comparing apples & oranges.The Oz ATPL is geared towards their enviroment & peculiarities with emphasis on practicality (I have to say that this is my personal opinion).As for the Malaysian ATPL.......... it's a paper set by the poms.......need I say more?
At the end of the day,the licensing authority are the respectives DCA's,so if there is double standards....... blame them on the authorities...... have to agree though that the expats here get it easy compared to some other authorities.....
. .Safe Flying All.
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[ 30 January 2002: Message edited by: PILOST ]</p>
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The Malaysian ATPL before 1990 is a tough paper where only 25% of the local passed the exams. The remaining 50% paid bribery to get it and the balance of 25% sat for the easier Aussie model exam after 1990. All Malaysian who sat for the 'easier' exam like the Aussie ATPL passed the papaers.
By 'easier' I mean you only have to just select A,B,C,D for answers. and you can schedule to pass all the papers in one year a subject at a time.
As for the British ATPL required by Malaysian before 1990...you have to sit 8 papers in 3 strait days. Each paper taking 3 hours to complete. It's a tough gruelling exam where speed and accuracy is the essence where the candidate had to produce in written form. They'll give you a map as big as a 8'x 6' to plot your navigation and the same size map for forecasting weather in Europe. These papers are the same for the Navigators and Metereologist exam.
You get a partial if you pass 5 of the subjects and be entitle to sit for ONE more attempt for the remaining papers. Failing which you have to sit for ALL the papers all over again.
After 3 full attempts you'll be ban from sitting for the exam for the next 2 years.
Who want this requirement, but the pom. It make the Aussie exam where you can sit one subject at a time in one year as what they say 'a piece of cake mate'.
Especially for working pilot who works sometimes 7 days a week it is more difficult to attempt the old CAA ATPL.
But nowadays everything is made easy meat.
[ 01 February 2002: Message edited by: FL600 ]</p>
By 'easier' I mean you only have to just select A,B,C,D for answers. and you can schedule to pass all the papers in one year a subject at a time.
As for the British ATPL required by Malaysian before 1990...you have to sit 8 papers in 3 strait days. Each paper taking 3 hours to complete. It's a tough gruelling exam where speed and accuracy is the essence where the candidate had to produce in written form. They'll give you a map as big as a 8'x 6' to plot your navigation and the same size map for forecasting weather in Europe. These papers are the same for the Navigators and Metereologist exam.
You get a partial if you pass 5 of the subjects and be entitle to sit for ONE more attempt for the remaining papers. Failing which you have to sit for ALL the papers all over again.
After 3 full attempts you'll be ban from sitting for the exam for the next 2 years.
Who want this requirement, but the pom. It make the Aussie exam where you can sit one subject at a time in one year as what they say 'a piece of cake mate'.
Especially for working pilot who works sometimes 7 days a week it is more difficult to attempt the old CAA ATPL.
But nowadays everything is made easy meat.
[ 01 February 2002: Message edited by: FL600 ]</p>
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So I take it that you and ol'droopy have it framed up on the wall in the living room then.?
I'm sure its a great talking point...recounting the good ol' days, blah blah blah...and how these days, the young chikus aren't worth a cent?
Well, these young chikus are now here on the 400 to further shove it up to you
I'm sure its a great talking point...recounting the good ol' days, blah blah blah...and how these days, the young chikus aren't worth a cent?
Well, these young chikus are now here on the 400 to further shove it up to you
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We are already in the 21st Century. . .The old ways of navigating by stars, LORAN,DECCA & Omega to name a few have gone the way of the Dodo.Weather & Flight planning have been replaced by satellite pictures & computers.Time & technology has changed the face of aviation & the requirements that go with the industry.What the old & new generation of flyers don't understand is that they need to interact to achieve the objective which is "to fly from A to B in the most safe & efficient way".
They are certain arguments by the 2 schools (old & new) of which exams are the hardest.My simple answer would be that both have their advantages & drawbacks.One of the biggest drawbacks on the new exams format are the mutiple answers which are very close to each other.This format will teach the candidates to be very careful with their calculations, plotting & answers.
We can argue till the cows come home but the fact remains that the new exams format remains until some other format replaces it.We must remember that the first flyers (the Wright brothers) didn't have a license, sat for an exam or even did a medical!Havent we come a long way from that first fateful day.......So all this talk about who is the better flyer are just going on an "ego trip".
You can have a license from Mars for all I care.......but if your definition of CRM is C.R.A.P Resource Management & your attitude is "the world owes me a living" then I wouldn't want to be in the same airspace as you......even with TCAS,FMS,FANS,EGPWS,SATCOM etc etc.....
Safe Flying all,
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. .The old ways of navigating by stars, LORAN,DECCA & Omega to name a few have gone the way of the Dodo.Weather & Flight planning have been replaced by satellite pictures & computers.Time & technology has changed the face of aviation & the requirements that go with the industry.What the old & new generation of flyers don't understand is that they need to interact to achieve the objective which is "to fly from A to B in the most safe & efficient way".They are certain arguments by the 2 schools (old & new) of which exams are the hardest.My simple answer would be that both have their advantages & drawbacks.One of the biggest drawbacks on the new exams format are the mutiple answers which are very close to each other.This format will teach the candidates to be very careful with their calculations, plotting & answers.
We can argue till the cows come home but the fact remains that the new exams format remains until some other format replaces it.We must remember that the first flyers (the Wright brothers) didn't have a license, sat for an exam or even did a medical!Havent we come a long way from that first fateful day.......So all this talk about who is the better flyer are just going on an "ego trip".
You can have a license from Mars for all I care.......but if your definition of CRM is C.R.A.P Resource Management & your attitude is "the world owes me a living" then I wouldn't want to be in the same airspace as you......even with TCAS,FMS,FANS,EGPWS,SATCOM etc etc.....
Safe Flying all,
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