RBA due for a pay rise!
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RBA due for a pay rise!
Is it not time the poor pilots at Royal Brunei got a pay rise?
I would say a minimum increase of 39%. Thats only 3% a year since their last pay adjustment.
Sure would stop so many pilots moving on.
Surely the Sultan can afford to pay the going rate.(ie. Delta)
I would say a minimum increase of 39%. Thats only 3% a year since their last pay adjustment.
Sure would stop so many pilots moving on.
Surely the Sultan can afford to pay the going rate.(ie. Delta)
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Salary is ok but certainly not the good deal it once was and as it is paid in Brunei $ it is subject to the fairly large effects of currency exchange variation.
The thin end of the wedge has definitely been pushed through the door (new contract no longer has certain minor fringe benefits such as water/rubbish allowance) and the trend is definitely towards cost saving.
Just as importantly, the make up of the airline has changed a lot over the last few years. We used to have a large core of very experienced expat captains, a lot of expat F/Os waiting for their command and a few locals. Now, we have only a few highly experienced captains, and most of the F/Os are good but very young and very inexperienced locals. This means that we are gradually becoming a feeder airline for Emirates, CX, BA etc and management appear happy to accept the situation, rather than give a substantial payrise to stop what will be a significant exodus and further lowering of experience.
Now that jobs are available, I think we will see resignations increasing again. We have just lost 2 expats to DHL UK, I think that says it all!
BTW B787, You should apply compound interest. 3% x 13 years = requirement of 47% pay rise. Now that WOULD be nice.
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The thin end of the wedge has definitely been pushed through the door (new contract no longer has certain minor fringe benefits such as water/rubbish allowance) and the trend is definitely towards cost saving.
Just as importantly, the make up of the airline has changed a lot over the last few years. We used to have a large core of very experienced expat captains, a lot of expat F/Os waiting for their command and a few locals. Now, we have only a few highly experienced captains, and most of the F/Os are good but very young and very inexperienced locals. This means that we are gradually becoming a feeder airline for Emirates, CX, BA etc and management appear happy to accept the situation, rather than give a substantial payrise to stop what will be a significant exodus and further lowering of experience.
Now that jobs are available, I think we will see resignations increasing again. We have just lost 2 expats to DHL UK, I think that says it all!
BTW B787, You should apply compound interest. 3% x 13 years = requirement of 47% pay rise. Now that WOULD be nice.
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COWPAT a lot of UK charter airline 757 & 767 pilots I know talk about getting on to "scheduled" operations one day. I think most of them are presently quite well paid etc but long for the stability(?) in rostering and lifestyle. As some one said a while ago charter airlines are a bit like a famine (winter) and a feast (summer) re work, income etc.
In reference to DHL i too know of many who applied and found the package to be sub-standard (especially considering all the hype). I was surprised that several RBA pilots had moved back to the UK to fly night freight. Surely this would be a drop in salary and add that to the expensive cost of living in the UK. Was it to hang on to 757/767 Commands?
I hope this clears up my two comments a little.
In reference to DHL i too know of many who applied and found the package to be sub-standard (especially considering all the hype). I was surprised that several RBA pilots had moved back to the UK to fly night freight. Surely this would be a drop in salary and add that to the expensive cost of living in the UK. Was it to hang on to 757/767 Commands?
I hope this clears up my two comments a little.
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OK, fair points.
The Captain went back in the belief that getting in early might lead to a training position or other promotion. I believe that non professional issues may have contributed a little as well.
The F/O went I believe because he felt there was a good chance of a quick command.
I suppose they are both valid reasons, but I,m with you. It would not really attract me unless the salary was significantly improved.
Shame really, as the job sounds like it could be ok, but you have to pay the mortgage and GBP3000pcm just doesn't do it.
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The Captain went back in the belief that getting in early might lead to a training position or other promotion. I believe that non professional issues may have contributed a little as well.
The F/O went I believe because he felt there was a good chance of a quick command.
I suppose they are both valid reasons, but I,m with you. It would not really attract me unless the salary was significantly improved.
Shame really, as the job sounds like it could be ok, but you have to pay the mortgage and GBP3000pcm just doesn't do it.
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Where did I say I was not happy? Things could certainly be better though, and I reserve the right to look around.
Quite why you should make such an offensive posting I dont know. Neither do I care. Nor will it affect my postings. Goodnight!
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I see from your only other contribution to pprune that you are looking for a job as cabincrew with EK. Why do you therefore wish to get involved in a pilots payrise thread?
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Quite why you should make such an offensive posting I dont know. Neither do I care. Nor will it affect my postings. Goodnight!
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I see from your only other contribution to pprune that you are looking for a job as cabincrew with EK. Why do you therefore wish to get involved in a pilots payrise thread?
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It is supposedly still tied to the SIN $. Unfortunately the SIN $ hit an 8 year low against US $ recently and is doing little better against GBP. Some good news for the kiwis in RBA is that the NZ $ is doing even worse.
Basic take home (before flying allowances and housing allowance) for a newly promoted captain is about SIN $ 9000 per month. Exchange rate is about 2.6 SIN $ to 1 GBP.
Work it out for yourself.
Pay rise is way overdue. Only options as far as I can see are a large payrise (unlikely) or an increasing dilution of experience as people leave. No contract captain I know would touch RBA on the current deal, and if RBA go the contract route with a different (better) salary then the resignations would come thick and fast.
Hope that answers your question.
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Basic take home (before flying allowances and housing allowance) for a newly promoted captain is about SIN $ 9000 per month. Exchange rate is about 2.6 SIN $ to 1 GBP.
Work it out for yourself.
Pay rise is way overdue. Only options as far as I can see are a large payrise (unlikely) or an increasing dilution of experience as people leave. No contract captain I know would touch RBA on the current deal, and if RBA go the contract route with a different (better) salary then the resignations would come thick and fast.
Hope that answers your question.
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Thanks Cowpat.
That take home pay is more or less the same for a B777 Captain at SIA, after tax but before the mortgage/rent, car payments etc. We may have finally agreed a new wage package here which may in a small way help your cause there.
Good Luck.
That take home pay is more or less the same for a B777 Captain at SIA, after tax but before the mortgage/rent, car payments etc. We may have finally agreed a new wage package here which may in a small way help your cause there.
Good Luck.
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Rumour has it that another 3 (at least) captains will shortly be leaving for DHL, or similar. I know at least that number that have been offered positions and are seriously considering their position. Sad to think that a flag carrying airline is losing captains to a start up freight airline. The loss of face may prompt a payrise I suppose. Nothing else seems to work.
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2XL A shiny B767 at LHR is one thing. You still have to live in Brunei and put up with a management who have not given you a pay rise for years. All that glitters is not gold.Perhaps those who leave to go to DHL take the view that it is not worth staying at RBA anymore.
COWPAT You had better make your mind up whether to go to DHL whilst there are still some jobs on offer!!
COWPAT You had better make your mind up whether to go to DHL whilst there are still some jobs on offer!!