Will Work For FREE For A Year................
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posted by this clown over a year ago.....i see his hours have actually reduced.
question for Shaikh Hoque, how do you intend on supporting your young family while you're working for free?
posted by this clown over a year ago.....i see his hours have actually reduced.
question for Shaikh Hoque, how do you intend on supporting your young family while you're working for free?
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I can't believe that this guy is for real. Let alone post this type of 
on the forun and expect to get some positive feed back.
Problem is, he/she is probably never worked a day in their life and just feeds of Mummy and Daddy's credit card. And even if this is not the case he/she obiviously doesn't need the money so why don't you just go out there and fly privately and leave the jobs for the people who need them.
on the forun and expect to get some positive feed back.Problem is, he/she is probably never worked a day in their life and just feeds of Mummy and Daddy's credit card. And even if this is not the case he/she obiviously doesn't need the money so why don't you just go out there and fly privately and leave the jobs for the people who need them.
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And I quote (from another Ppruner) "airlines will value you according to what you cost them, and how you value yourself.
IMO, the main reason pilot salaries are so low now compared to, say, 10-20 years ago is that pilots have been busily undercutting each other in the effort to find a job.
Let's face it - we're pilots because we love it. But airlines are now exploiting that, and us, to their own benefit. The tide is turning, however, and I strongly suggest that you go with it. Paying for training, for type ratings etc. is, I think, on the way out. Airlines are beginning to realise that they need to recruit the best people, not those most able to pay for training.
You need to take a reality check. Firstly, there are a lot of pilots out there younger than you and more experienced than you. That is what people are going to look at first. At your age, you are unlikely to find your way into a command of a piece of sexy, heavy machinery. You need to be prepared for meeting a lot of disappointments along the way. I think you need to lower your sights considerably.
If you want to fly in the Carib/LatAm region, you will find no shortage of people willing to steal the shirt off your back and then sell it back to you. They don't need any encouragement from you to do so.
I strongly suggest, without wishing to sound (or be) insulting, that you don't make a prostitute of yourself. Go for it, but don't ever sell yourself (or your colleagues) cheaply."
IMO, the main reason pilot salaries are so low now compared to, say, 10-20 years ago is that pilots have been busily undercutting each other in the effort to find a job.
Let's face it - we're pilots because we love it. But airlines are now exploiting that, and us, to their own benefit. The tide is turning, however, and I strongly suggest that you go with it. Paying for training, for type ratings etc. is, I think, on the way out. Airlines are beginning to realise that they need to recruit the best people, not those most able to pay for training.
You need to take a reality check. Firstly, there are a lot of pilots out there younger than you and more experienced than you. That is what people are going to look at first. At your age, you are unlikely to find your way into a command of a piece of sexy, heavy machinery. You need to be prepared for meeting a lot of disappointments along the way. I think you need to lower your sights considerably.
If you want to fly in the Carib/LatAm region, you will find no shortage of people willing to steal the shirt off your back and then sell it back to you. They don't need any encouragement from you to do so.
I strongly suggest, without wishing to sound (or be) insulting, that you don't make a prostitute of yourself. Go for it, but don't ever sell yourself (or your colleagues) cheaply."
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A few points in the OP's defense:
1. Working for free... paying to work for free... is largely a result of the fact that the supply of wannabee's vastly outstrips the number of vacancies available. Want to improve the situation? Restrict the pilot supply. Cut the number of CPL's issued each year in half and the situation for pilots would improve dramatically.
2. People work for free in all sorts of industries to get ahead. It's somewhat common in the legal profession.
3. Buying a type rating/working for free is like an investment... Working for free for a year might cost your $50,000 out of your pocket, but at the end of the day if it leads to a well paid job you'll be ahead. It's really not that much different than spending $50,000 to buy a business. Short term sacrifice for long-term gain.
4. A very significant percentage of pilots in the US work for very low wages... what's the difference, in practical terms, between working for $17,000 or less per year and working for free? If you have a family, you're in the hole either way unless you have other sources of income.
5. You shouldn't use the term "prostitutes" to describe pilots who work for free. Prostitutes don't work for free. Are legal interns prostitutes too?
6. The OP has somewhat credible qualifications. Why does he need to work for free in the first place. I can see a 200 hour pilot doing it, but not an ATPL.
1. Working for free... paying to work for free... is largely a result of the fact that the supply of wannabee's vastly outstrips the number of vacancies available. Want to improve the situation? Restrict the pilot supply. Cut the number of CPL's issued each year in half and the situation for pilots would improve dramatically.
2. People work for free in all sorts of industries to get ahead. It's somewhat common in the legal profession.
3. Buying a type rating/working for free is like an investment... Working for free for a year might cost your $50,000 out of your pocket, but at the end of the day if it leads to a well paid job you'll be ahead. It's really not that much different than spending $50,000 to buy a business. Short term sacrifice for long-term gain.
4. A very significant percentage of pilots in the US work for very low wages... what's the difference, in practical terms, between working for $17,000 or less per year and working for free? If you have a family, you're in the hole either way unless you have other sources of income.
5. You shouldn't use the term "prostitutes" to describe pilots who work for free. Prostitutes don't work for free. Are legal interns prostitutes too?
6. The OP has somewhat credible qualifications. Why does he need to work for free in the first place. I can see a 200 hour pilot doing it, but not an ATPL.
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You're right a prostitute does not work for free. Because they get paid. However a slut... we can figure the rest out.
If people want to work for free to get ahead, then companies will continue taking advantage of the individuals how ever way they want right? Low pay, poor benefits(if any)...
Gents, put yourselves in a situation, would you PAY for a good looking prostitute or get a FREE decent looking slut from the nightclub (Im talking disease-free)? In whatever case I have more respect for the prostitute cause she's actually working for money and probably a family to support. A slut....is just ASKING to take advantage of.
Gday don't mean to insult any females in this forum, just tryin to make a point
WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO!!!!!
Wooooooooooooo!!! We need some MOGAS!!!!
If people want to work for free to get ahead, then companies will continue taking advantage of the individuals how ever way they want right? Low pay, poor benefits(if any)...
Gents, put yourselves in a situation, would you PAY for a good looking prostitute or get a FREE decent looking slut from the nightclub (Im talking disease-free)? In whatever case I have more respect for the prostitute cause she's actually working for money and probably a family to support. A slut....is just ASKING to take advantage of.
Gday don't mean to insult any females in this forum, just tryin to make a point
WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO!!!!!
Wooooooooooooo!!! We need some MOGAS!!!!
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Shaikh mate I aint going to add my voice to the chorus of condemnation, but think about it for a second.
If it was the accountants that determined who to call for interview, I'm sure your approach would have got you a job by now. But think about who it actually is that reads the CVs and calls them for interview, it's not the accountant it's the senior pilot / chief pilot.
Now while nobody gets to be chief pilot without making a few unpopular decisions from time to time, I have generally found them to be firmly on the side of the boys when it comes time to negotiate pay rises / improved terms and conditions for the pilots with the rest of the management bean counters. Partly because pay rise for all the pilots = pay rise for themselves, partly because they are going to be the ones who take a hammering from the line pilots when the board makes them go back there with the bad news, and partly because they tend to still view themselves as a pilot first and management second, and as you've seen from the barrage of slagging off you've just received, as a group we tend to try and look after our own and are highly resistant to anything we see as damaging to terms and conditions industry wide.
In my experience of working for entry-level operators, it was actually quite common to receive covering letters from people offering to work for free ( and/or fund their own type ratings at an employer that was known to provide them as part of the training ) and in my experience there was only one place that those CVs got filed - straight in the bin, usually with a torrent of expletives following them. Like I say, if it was the accountant that made those decisions about who to call for pilot interview, no doubt you'd be sitting up there in some flight deck right now. The fact that you have all those hours and you are in fact still looking - basically what I'm saying is that you are doing yourself more harm than good, for every door you might open at an airline through this approach, I'd say there are at least 5 others that slam tightly closed.
At the very least, trying to advertise your unpaid services on a professional pilot's forum is called 'asking for trouble' I believe
If it was the accountants that determined who to call for interview, I'm sure your approach would have got you a job by now. But think about who it actually is that reads the CVs and calls them for interview, it's not the accountant it's the senior pilot / chief pilot.
Now while nobody gets to be chief pilot without making a few unpopular decisions from time to time, I have generally found them to be firmly on the side of the boys when it comes time to negotiate pay rises / improved terms and conditions for the pilots with the rest of the management bean counters. Partly because pay rise for all the pilots = pay rise for themselves, partly because they are going to be the ones who take a hammering from the line pilots when the board makes them go back there with the bad news, and partly because they tend to still view themselves as a pilot first and management second, and as you've seen from the barrage of slagging off you've just received, as a group we tend to try and look after our own and are highly resistant to anything we see as damaging to terms and conditions industry wide.
In my experience of working for entry-level operators, it was actually quite common to receive covering letters from people offering to work for free ( and/or fund their own type ratings at an employer that was known to provide them as part of the training ) and in my experience there was only one place that those CVs got filed - straight in the bin, usually with a torrent of expletives following them. Like I say, if it was the accountant that made those decisions about who to call for pilot interview, no doubt you'd be sitting up there in some flight deck right now. The fact that you have all those hours and you are in fact still looking - basically what I'm saying is that you are doing yourself more harm than good, for every door you might open at an airline through this approach, I'd say there are at least 5 others that slam tightly closed.
At the very least, trying to advertise your unpaid services on a professional pilot's forum is called 'asking for trouble' I believe
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Un-glued individual looking for work.
Best to keep him away from any and all flight decks.
What else is there to be said?
Perhaps I might add that he wants to succeed, like all of us.
In that, however, there are no secrets to success, apart from hard work and learning from failure.
I hope you have learnt from the failure of the last two years, Sheikh, and from this lame attempt at work.
Selling yourself is not the same as putting in the dedication, hard work and discipline necessary not only to succeed but to have respect for yourself along the way.
Good luck in your quest to better yourself, just don't sell yourself in the meantime.
Best to keep him away from any and all flight decks.
What else is there to be said?
Perhaps I might add that he wants to succeed, like all of us.
In that, however, there are no secrets to success, apart from hard work and learning from failure.
I hope you have learnt from the failure of the last two years, Sheikh, and from this lame attempt at work.
Selling yourself is not the same as putting in the dedication, hard work and discipline necessary not only to succeed but to have respect for yourself along the way.
Good luck in your quest to better yourself, just don't sell yourself in the meantime.
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Shaikh, I seriously suggest you stay out of aviation.
Your questions on here, and on other BB's (ilsapproach.com) combined with the fact that you claim to have a degree from Riddle and nearly 3,000hrs, contradict your apparent lack of knowledge. If you are that thick-skulled it is not just a matter of paying your way forward, maybe you should see this as an indication that you don't belong in this business.
Tough words, I know, but what do you expect when you post a question as idiotic as the original post here? You lack a fundamental understanding of the business.
I have answered your questions on many occasions, about DAT ATR T/R and simple things, which you as an instructor and holder of degree should be aware of, like "what is MCC and what is ME IR"
Save your money and leave the business for those with just a little bit of integrity left, if you don't want compensation for flying it is not a job - it's an expensive hobby, leave it at that.
Your questions on here, and on other BB's (ilsapproach.com) combined with the fact that you claim to have a degree from Riddle and nearly 3,000hrs, contradict your apparent lack of knowledge. If you are that thick-skulled it is not just a matter of paying your way forward, maybe you should see this as an indication that you don't belong in this business.
Tough words, I know, but what do you expect when you post a question as idiotic as the original post here? You lack a fundamental understanding of the business.
I have answered your questions on many occasions, about DAT ATR T/R and simple things, which you as an instructor and holder of degree should be aware of, like "what is MCC and what is ME IR"
Save your money and leave the business for those with just a little bit of integrity left, if you don't want compensation for flying it is not a job - it's an expensive hobby, leave it at that.
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"Your questions on here, and on other BB's (ilsapproach.com) combined with the fact that you claim to have a degree from Riddle and nearly 3,000hrs, contradict your apparent lack of knowledge. If you are that thick-skulled it is not just a matter of paying your way forward, maybe you should see this as an indication that you don't belong in this business.
Tough words, I know, but what do you expect when you post a question as idiotic as the original post here? You lack a fundamental understanding of the business."
NO ONE WANTS TO HIRE HIM. THATS WHY HE HAS TO WORK FOR FREE!
Tough words, I know, but what do you expect when you post a question as idiotic as the original post here? You lack a fundamental understanding of the business."
NO ONE WANTS TO HIRE HIM. THATS WHY HE HAS TO WORK FOR FREE!
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My money is on this being total flamebait. There aren't too many people stupid enough to post this crap if it's real.
However, it does bring up many issues that are problematic in our industry. When there is a glut of applicants for a small amount of jobs, it puts employers in the position to take advantage of the employees. By saying you'd work for free, or for less than the guy at you prospective employer, you are justifying the further decrease in salaries and benefits.
Sadly, the unions don't stand up for members nearly as much as they should. How would it be if the local police department suddenly decided to cut pay by 30% and eliminate retirement benefits? Would the local population or the union stand for that? No. Why is it that this is acceptable in the airline industry? Take a huge pay-cut, get furloughed, start over on probation at your next job, lose your pension. This is not a good career.
What no one seems to remember until you see an airbus or Q400 making a landing with no nose gear on the news, is that we are the ones that ensure the safe travel of hundreds people on each flight that we operate. Should we not be compensated for this?
Until the day that the wannabes stop offering to do our jobs for free and guys stop saying that they do this job because "they love it", these problems will continue. How about some perspective here, people? It is a JOB. You should be treated and paid like the professional you are. Not like a schoolboy with a hard-on for shiny airplanes.
Who screws pilots worse than management? Pilots do.
However, it does bring up many issues that are problematic in our industry. When there is a glut of applicants for a small amount of jobs, it puts employers in the position to take advantage of the employees. By saying you'd work for free, or for less than the guy at you prospective employer, you are justifying the further decrease in salaries and benefits.
Sadly, the unions don't stand up for members nearly as much as they should. How would it be if the local police department suddenly decided to cut pay by 30% and eliminate retirement benefits? Would the local population or the union stand for that? No. Why is it that this is acceptable in the airline industry? Take a huge pay-cut, get furloughed, start over on probation at your next job, lose your pension. This is not a good career.
What no one seems to remember until you see an airbus or Q400 making a landing with no nose gear on the news, is that we are the ones that ensure the safe travel of hundreds people on each flight that we operate. Should we not be compensated for this?
Until the day that the wannabes stop offering to do our jobs for free and guys stop saying that they do this job because "they love it", these problems will continue. How about some perspective here, people? It is a JOB. You should be treated and paid like the professional you are. Not like a schoolboy with a hard-on for shiny airplanes.
Who screws pilots worse than management? Pilots do.
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fly for free
look you stupid,stupid boy go to the North or west earn your wings like a man should,do not attempt to corrupt the corrupted mandarin in the aviation business.You either have rich parents or need of medical treatment.As a 744 pic I will toss you off the a/c.
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SNH, you are a bit thick mate, in fact you are so dense that probably have your own gravitational field.
Think about it for a second and you will see my point:
If an airline had so few morals that they would hire you free for a year, what would stop them hiring someone else for free when your year is up and throwing you back out on the street?
Anyway, you haven't replied to your thread for a while, I suspect that you have ducked and run for cover.
Think about it for a second and you will see my point:
If an airline had so few morals that they would hire you free for a year, what would stop them hiring someone else for free when your year is up and throwing you back out on the street?
Anyway, you haven't replied to your thread for a while, I suspect that you have ducked and run for cover.
