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Heard that the Air Asia B737's have had two runway excursions in less than one week. One is Alor Star and the other in Miri. Any have news on this? If so, more pity them, new operation.
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You've heard right, but i believe they happened on the same day, in bad wx and rain. Miri has a new 9000ft long runway, would be interesting to know what went wrong there. As for Aor, well thats been know as a preety noutorious runway espesially in bad wx. Anyway, i think it could have been avoided, if these no frills airlines dont push their luck for schdeule and short cuts. Anyway i suppose these are a few ways where they actually bring cost down, but i guess its been long coming. Cost or safety, its a very fine thin red line.
P.s, would anyone know what sort of incident records do the other non frills from around the world have?
P.s, would anyone know what sort of incident records do the other non frills from around the world have?
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You're talking a lot of rubbish. Safety is NEVER compromised!! Are you suggesting that Easyjet plus Ryanair or maybe Southwest compromise on safety just because they operate a low cost no frills airline. I would love to hear what the FAA and CAA say about that. Get your facts on the two incidents and then engage your brain before you come out with this sort of thrash. It's exactly people like you that tend to speculate when they know sweet FA.
Just FYI the two aircrafts happened to been flowned by some very senior and experience Captains.
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You're talking a lot of rubbish. Safety is NEVER compromised!! Are you suggesting that Easyjet plus Ryanair or maybe Southwest compromise on safety just because they operate a low cost no frills airline. I would love to hear what the FAA and CAA say about that. Get your facts on the two incidents and then engage your brain before you come out with this sort of thrash. It's exactly people like you that tend to speculate when they know sweet FA.
Just FYI the two aircrafts happened to been flowned by some very senior and experience Captains.
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Goldwing, you're the one who's talking a lot of rubbish, and you are the one who should engage the brain before saying anything. Yes, safety is many times compromised. Not worthy to say anything else to you, nor even discuss anything at all with you.
By the way, senior and experienced Captains means NOTHING, maybe you're not able to understand that, the only true statistic is that the more experienced the Captain, the higher the probability of an accident. You should read a bit of LOSA, TEM, FOQA, etc. and a lot of CRM!!!
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By the way, senior and experienced Captains means NOTHING, maybe you're not able to understand that, the only true statistic is that the more experienced the Captain, the higher the probability of an accident. You should read a bit of LOSA, TEM, FOQA, etc. and a lot of CRM!!!
p.s. (Line Operation Safety Audit, Thread and Error Management, Flight Operations Quality Assurance)
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Crisidebrian, you really are a twit. The Rage makes a direct connection between safety and costs, implying that safety is compromised because profit is paramount to anything else.
Just because peanuts are served in the cabin instead of a 5 course dinner on china does`t mean the maintenance or training is on a shoestring after all I guess most people ( in the airline or not ) still prioritise their safety over a few extra bucks in their pocket.
Maybe you flybynight boys, don`t or want to acknowledge that the future of successful airlines will be the low cost no frills business model.
Sure satistically the more one flys the greater the chances of a mishap but how many times has an incident happened due to inexperienced rather than the other way around. It is not always human factors that accidents happen --- enviromental, mechanical.
From your thread Crisidebrian looks like you have issues with captains, so pls for all our benefit go read " a lot more " on TEM, LOSA, FOQA AND CRM
Just because peanuts are served in the cabin instead of a 5 course dinner on china does`t mean the maintenance or training is on a shoestring after all I guess most people ( in the airline or not ) still prioritise their safety over a few extra bucks in their pocket.
Maybe you flybynight boys, don`t or want to acknowledge that the future of successful airlines will be the low cost no frills business model.
Sure satistically the more one flys the greater the chances of a mishap but how many times has an incident happened due to inexperienced rather than the other way around. It is not always human factors that accidents happen --- enviromental, mechanical.
From your thread Crisidebrian looks like you have issues with captains, so pls for all our benefit go read " a lot more " on TEM, LOSA, FOQA AND CRM
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Around 80% of accidents are due to human factors. Pressure made by the management ("land short to prevent tyre wear", "...if you land more than 10 mins. after STA without a good excuse or if you land with more than X tons of fuel a couple of times you are fired", "if you refuse to fly because you have accumulated a lot of fatigue due to a heavy working schedule pattern, with many earlies and many sectors and very short stops, you are fired...") is a clear THREAT to the flight, and that's something the crew has to deal with every day in some sort of airlines. Crewmembers are finally the ones who save the Company's bacon, but they don't work in an appropriate environment, and they must always be in a hurry. Besides losing privileges, we are also losing quality in our working conditions, and that is directly linked to safety. And that has nothing to do with passengers having peanuts or a five course dinner.
I haven't had problems with captains, not even with the managers of my Company, but I've seen many friends of mine having them in a regular basis in other Companies.
I haven't had problems with captains, not even with the managers of my Company, but I've seen many friends of mine having them in a regular basis in other Companies.
crisidebrian,
I fly for a European low cost and, while I can't talk for every company, it was made very clear from day one that whatever else they couldn't afford, they simply couldn't afford an accident.
I'm ex-AN and the training, maintenance, SOPs and saftey culture I'm currently operating in is the best I've ever experienced.
Perhaps there are LCCs that cut corners, but Interestingly, not the successful ones!
I fly for a European low cost and, while I can't talk for every company, it was made very clear from day one that whatever else they couldn't afford, they simply couldn't afford an accident.
I'm ex-AN and the training, maintenance, SOPs and saftey culture I'm currently operating in is the best I've ever experienced.
Perhaps there are LCCs that cut corners, but Interestingly, not the successful ones!
