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PA 30
guys, does anyone know if the PA30 (Twin Commanche) is a registered a/c as per the new list. I know it was some time back but just did my recency and submitted my papers and wondering.....
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just to caution you guys
guys who did their training from abroad all the x-country checks with instructors that are logged as dual(according to the regulations there) in the journey logs of the aircraft, DGCA are objecting to that.
Same with the day and night checks.
guys who did their training from abroad all the x-country checks with instructors that are logged as dual(according to the regulations there) in the journey logs of the aircraft, DGCA are objecting to that.
Same with the day and night checks.
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I wouldnt exactly call that as harassment because these checks are the equivalent of a practical test or checkride as they call it in the U.S .
Since during these checks you are not receiving any instruction you cannot log it as dual . Your instructor / examiner is only there to evaluate your skills and not teach you how to fly .
Even for the FAA checkride you log the time flown during the checkride as PIC
Since during these checks you are not receiving any instruction you cannot log it as dual . Your instructor / examiner is only there to evaluate your skills and not teach you how to fly .
Even for the FAA checkride you log the time flown during the checkride as PIC
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There is no night check on the multi and so no transport Canada examiner will go flying with you and allow you to log it as PIC in the journey log.
So students go flying with multi-operations incharge and for insurance reasons the club logs it as dual in the journey log whereas the student logs it as PIC in his log book for assessment purposes.
+Clubs do not let you fly as PIC(so as to be logged in the journey logs) unless you have 50 hours on a multi, Insurance requirement.
So students go flying with multi-operations incharge and for insurance reasons the club logs it as dual in the journey log whereas the student logs it as PIC in his log book for assessment purposes.
+Clubs do not let you fly as PIC(so as to be logged in the journey logs) unless you have 50 hours on a multi, Insurance requirement.
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Hmmm....
So say I am a licensed commercial pilot who is qualified to act as PIC on single piston engine airplane below max take off weight of 5700 kg .
I take a person who is qualified as Instructor on board with me for a flight from point A to point B . Do i still have to log it as DUAL or PIC ?
So say I am a licensed commercial pilot who is qualified to act as PIC on single piston engine airplane below max take off weight of 5700 kg .
I take a person who is qualified as Instructor on board with me for a flight from point A to point B . Do i still have to log it as DUAL or PIC ?
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Depends on what that qualified flight instructor is doing, if he is there for a joy ride then of course you log it as PIC.
Now Again if he is assessing your flying while being onboard with you, that means he is officially working and has the right to log it as a dual flight and due to the fact that he is not a Transport Canada examiner and that it is not a flight test you cannot log it as PIC in the journey log.
Now Again if he is assessing your flying while being onboard with you, that means he is officially working and has the right to log it as a dual flight and due to the fact that he is not a Transport Canada examiner and that it is not a flight test you cannot log it as PIC in the journey log.
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Hmmm....
Ok i think i get your point regarding the Insurance requirement.....
Well what does the DGCA ask the flying club ? Do they ask for the journey logs flown by the student ?
Ok i think i get your point regarding the Insurance requirement.....
Well what does the DGCA ask the flying club ? Do they ask for the journey logs flown by the student ?
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No wonder the processing is take months because these idiots doubt everything.
Verification of the verification ....
And btw what happens if the school like most US pt61 schools has no record of the conditions of flight apart from the flight times ?
Verification of the verification ....
And btw what happens if the school like most US pt61 schools has no record of the conditions of flight apart from the flight times ?
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what next?
Why dont these DGCA people all these requirements in words?
Whats the point in changing these rules (or the interpretation of these rules as followed by thousands over the last few years) without any warning at all?
It is impossible to get an instructor to come along on the aircraft and not log it as "DUAL". how are we to tackle it that?
I know quite a few people who got their licenses with logging these flights as dual--- and they are working with the airlines.--- what are we gonna do about that?
Does anybody else hate the DGCA as much as I do?
We seriously need to get in line with the rest of the aviation countries of the world.
Enough is enough.
Why dont these DGCA people all these requirements in words?
Whats the point in changing these rules (or the interpretation of these rules as followed by thousands over the last few years) without any warning at all?
It is impossible to get an instructor to come along on the aircraft and not log it as "DUAL". how are we to tackle it that?
I know quite a few people who got their licenses with logging these flights as dual--- and they are working with the airlines.--- what are we gonna do about that?
Does anybody else hate the DGCA as much as I do?
We seriously need to get in line with the rest of the aviation countries of the world.
Enough is enough.
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This is nothing more than pitty nuisances created by a handful of uneducated individuals at DGCA(the new officer in-charge of licensing).
Anyways the guy has been asked to send his logbook back to the flying club and the instructor to write his name on the logbook and write a note that the student was a passenger aboard the flight with him during the cross country.
which ofcourse makes perfect sense
Anyways the guy has been asked to send his logbook back to the flying club and the instructor to write his name on the logbook and write a note that the student was a passenger aboard the flight with him during the cross country.
which ofcourse makes perfect sense
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Anyways the guy has been asked to send his logbook back to the flying club and the instructor to write his name on the logbook and write a note that the student was a passenger aboard the flight with him during the cross country.
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And if he got his logbook back in hand for this purpose, does it not mean his application has been rejected and he would need to make a new one when he submits it again?
-Which leads to some awkward questions about the recency then.
-Which leads to some awkward questions about the recency then.
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I've heard of the same thing but from what I gathered they will not reject it but put your application processing on hold so your recency is safe.
And the processing times right now are about 3-4months, currently they are clearing applications submitted in march.
And the processing times right now are about 3-4months, currently they are clearing applications submitted in march.
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These dgca checks can indeed be logged as PIC only in America. I being an FAA instructor, have done that for someone I did the dgca recency requirements for. It's 'Acting PIC' time(which is what you'd do for the commercial requirement on a multi, due to insurance purposes of course). So when the candidate is Acting PIC, it is NOT logged as Dual time. It is merely signed in the remarks column indicating the signature and number of the instructor.
As for the DGCA verifying from the flight school, even if they do this with schools in America, there is nothing such as the 'Journey Log book' like in Canada. So, the chief pilot merely confirms the details requested by the dgca as he/she has already verified this in the numerous number of documents/"transcripts" that were already attested by him/her.
Lastly, I'd agree with all here that it is the most inefficient, uneducated and non-informed civil aviation organization!
As for the DGCA verifying from the flight school, even if they do this with schools in America, there is nothing such as the 'Journey Log book' like in Canada. So, the chief pilot merely confirms the details requested by the dgca as he/she has already verified this in the numerous number of documents/"transcripts" that were already attested by him/her.
Lastly, I'd agree with all here that it is the most inefficient, uneducated and non-informed civil aviation organization!