Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

Universal Hydrogen goes bust

Wikiposts
Search
Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

Universal Hydrogen goes bust

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 30th Jun 2024, 16:25
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Universal Hydrogen goes bust

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ght-goes-bust/
violator is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 30th Jun 2024, 19:58
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: England
Posts: 409
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Well, yes. Color me unsurprised. It was never going to work, for the reasons explained in the Seattle Times article, which were obvious beforehand. I’m even unsurprised that they got enough suckers to put up $100 million for them to “burn through” – as the saying goes, there’s one born every minute.
OldLurker is offline  
Old 30th Jun 2024, 21:22
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Yakima
Posts: 623
Received 259 Likes on 107 Posts
Originally Posted by OldLurker
Well, yes. Color me unsurprised. It was never going to work, for the reasons explained in the Seattle Times article, which were obvious beforehand. I’m even unsurprised that they got enough suckers to put up $100 million for them to “burn through” – as the saying goes, there’s one born every minute.
Yep, running the numbers re volume and storage requirements, as well as structures makes hydrogen aircraft pretty unlikely; when one considers how hydrogen is produced (virtually all is by steam cracking methane) and the energy loss in production it doesn't make economic sense. Yes, we'll hear that it can be produced by solar cell electrolysis and that will solve the production side, but that is a huge infra-structure project, not to mention transportation and storage of the fuel.

I suspect not all of that $100 million has vanished into thin air.....
Winemaker is offline  
Old 30th Jun 2024, 21:54
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Arizona
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Winemaker
Yep, running the numbers re volume and storage requirements, as well as structures makes hydrogen aircraft pretty unlikely; when one considers how hydrogen is produced (virtually all is by steam cracking methane) and the energy loss in production it doesn't make economic sense. Yes, we'll hear that it can be produced by solar cell electrolysis and that will solve the production side, but that is a huge infra-structure project, not to mention transportation and storage of the fuel.

I suspect not all of that $100 million has vanished into thin air.....
I wonder how much the American taxpayer lost in this impossible pipe dream.
warbirdfinder is offline  
Old 1st Jul 2024, 00:44
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
Age: 60
Posts: 437
Received 47 Likes on 38 Posts
I can’t, for the life of me, figure out why we don’t use all of these wind farms (which in the Midwest US are commonly USING electricity to remain dormant during periods when there is no need for more on the grid) to produce hydrogen by hydrolysis and use the additional capacity to run the pumps to compress it. I know it is problematic to store it and that hydrogen embrittlement is a problem, but there is so much stuff we could do with it as a direct chemical reactant. (Pretending that when one burns hydrogen in air there are not nitrogen oxides and other unsavory byproducts produced is silly.)
Fuel cells work phenomenally well with true zero emmissions…
421dog is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 1st Jul 2024, 15:08
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: cardiff
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by 421dog
I can’t, for the life of me, figure out why we don’t use all of these wind farms (which in the Midwest US are commonly USING electricity to remain dormant during periods when there is no need for more on the grid) to produce hydrogen by hydrolysis and use the additional capacity to run the pumps to compress it. I know it is problematic to store it and that hydrogen embrittlement is a problem, but there is so much stuff we could do with it as a direct chemical reactant. (Pretending that when one burns hydrogen in air there are not nitrogen oxides and other unsavory byproducts produced is silly.)
Fuel cells work phenomenally well with true zero emmissions…
This guy's guides to alternative fuels is good - his recent piece on Hydrogen - https://climate.benjames.io/hydrogen/

controlx is offline  
The following 2 users liked this post by controlx:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.