BA suspend two CC due to alleged "fat shaming" bullying claims
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BA suspend two CC due to alleged "fat shaming" bullying claims
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...-b1166197.html
Regardless of the job that you do, there is never any place for this sort of behaviour. Bullying is childish and utterly disrespectful and can cause immense distress to it's "targets". IIRC this is not the first time in recent months that BA have had issues with disrespectful CC, a few months ago some other derogatory accusations made in the regard to Asians. Some people need to grow the heck up.
Regardless of the job that you do, there is never any place for this sort of behaviour. Bullying is childish and utterly disrespectful and can cause immense distress to it's "targets". IIRC this is not the first time in recent months that BA have had issues with disrespectful CC, a few months ago some other derogatory accusations made in the regard to Asians. Some people need to grow the heck up.
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24th Jun 2024, 12:11
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...-b1166197.html
Regardless of the job that you do, there is never any place for this sort of behaviour. Bullying is childish and utterly disrespectful and can cause immense distress to it's "targets". IIRC this is not the first time in recent months that BA have had issues with disrespectful CC, a few months ago some other derogatory accusations made in the regard to Asians. Some people need to grow the heck up.
Regardless of the job that you do, there is never any place for this sort of behaviour. Bullying is childish and utterly disrespectful and can cause immense distress to it's "targets". IIRC this is not the first time in recent months that BA have had issues with disrespectful CC, a few months ago some other derogatory accusations made in the regard to Asians. Some people need to grow the heck up.
Stacks of immature 20 year old boys and girls stuck together in a metal tube for half a day - never seen that lead to bitchiness , bullying , arguments - not !
Bullying isn’t acceptable but even with a “ touchy feely “ airline like Big it’s fairly inevitable
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...-b1166197.html
Regardless of the job that you do, there is never any place for this sort of behaviour.
Regardless of the job that you do, there is never any place for this sort of behaviour.
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It's the age we live in folks. There's always someone out there waiting for a story. Employers then become the story if they are seen not to take drastic action. I'm so glad I'm retired!
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I’m honestly not sure about this.
If initial reports are to be believed (I know) this was opinion expressed by a group of individuals in a supposedly private group chat…not a case of the aggrieved party being called out in their workplace or in a group off duty.
I’m a simple soul but it looks to me as if BA have decided they are now going to try and police private conversations by employees.
Some of the few remaining long trips the guys do are really going to drag due lack of conversation - I’m another one glad I’ve hung up the headset.
If initial reports are to be believed (I know) this was opinion expressed by a group of individuals in a supposedly private group chat…not a case of the aggrieved party being called out in their workplace or in a group off duty.
I’m a simple soul but it looks to me as if BA have decided they are now going to try and police private conversations by employees.
Some of the few remaining long trips the guys do are really going to drag due lack of conversation - I’m another one glad I’ve hung up the headset.
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Most employers these days warn employees that they should be very careful if their social media stuff in anyway allows folks reading it to know who they work for.
It means that anything said in that social media can be considered to reflect on the employer.
That can leave you open to potential disciplinary action.
I'm often amazed at how the younger employees happily use employer supplied laptops/surface-pros/phones to browse and post stuff. Also those that download work apps onto personal devices.
Any of those actions can potentially throw your posts and devices open to your employers IT department.
It means that anything said in that social media can be considered to reflect on the employer.
That can leave you open to potential disciplinary action.
I'm often amazed at how the younger employees happily use employer supplied laptops/surface-pros/phones to browse and post stuff. Also those that download work apps onto personal devices.
Any of those actions can potentially throw your posts and devices open to your employers IT department.
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All very true and many a BA employee has been shown the door as a result of posting something stupid on “open” social media or unwise use of company provided devices - I know the former was a major source of attrition when Mixed Fleet initially arrived on the scene at BA.
OTOH and with the caveat that we only know what the MSM is saying it looks like this disciplinary has come out of comments made in a private conversation or conversations on a (supposedly) closed group, using a widely available app, probably by people using their own phones not company devices…
All very true and many a BA employee has been shown the door as a result of posting something stupid on “open” social media or unwise use of company provided devices - I know the former was a major source of attrition when Mixed Fleet initially arrived on the scene at BA.
OTOH and with the caveat that we only know what the MSM is saying it looks like this disciplinary has come out of comments made in a private conversation or conversations on a (supposedly) closed group, using a widely available app, probably by people using their own phones not company devices…
I would assume BA are rightly Safeguarding the person concerned. Those unacceptable comments could adversely affect how that person is treated in the workplace. And before anyone pipes up, I am aware that BA has a lot of employees.
Undermining or insulting behaviour in the workplace can have dire consequences for the victim and should be called out at every opportunity
Undermining or insulting behaviour in the workplace can have dire consequences for the victim and should be called out at every opportunity
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If initial reports are to be believed (I know) this was opinion expressed by a group of individuals in a supposedly private group chat…not a case of the aggrieved party being called out in their workplace or in a group off duty.
I’m a simple soul but it looks to me as if BA have decided they are now going to try and police private conversations by employees.
I’m a simple soul but it looks to me as if BA have decided they are now going to try and police private conversations by employees.
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The stupidity of this generation of supposedly IT natives never ceases to amaze me. When will they learn that a) Big companies have very strict social media rules which if breached will lead to your sacking b) Anything stated electronically is in the public domain and c) Social media is not your BFF.,and is more like the school bully whose purpose in life is to bring you down.
It doesn't matter if it was on a private chat group. In this marvelous world of technology the word private is as redundant as the word snollygoster.
It doesn't matter if it was on a private chat group. In this marvelous world of technology the word private is as redundant as the word snollygoster.
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If it had actually been or remained a private conversation, BA wouldn't have known about it and would have had no interest in taking action or any ability to do so. But conversations like this one are never reliably private and it's both naive and reckless to treat them as if they were. Most employers would probably take action in a situation like this one. Not doing so would create a risk of serious reputational damage.
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If it had actually been or remained a private conversation, BA wouldn't have known about it and would have had no interest in taking action or any ability to do so. But conversations like this one are never reliably private and it's both naive and reckless to treat them as if they were. Most employers would probably take action in a situation like this one. Not doing so would create a risk of serious reputational damage.
If it had 'remained' a private conversation - so, if I'm in the pub and say something rude about fats and someone there happens to know that I work for BA and reports it to them, would it be okay for them to act?
This is a serious issue that threatens to have all of society literally afraid to say anything ever. The pushback must be against the companies that weird 'anything you say anywhere ever might get you fired' climate of fear shtick on their employees. BA's reputation is seriously damaged by this action. The pushback must be rapid and immense. The PM should get involved.
I prefer traveling on airlines that mostly have Oriental CC; they are very respectful of passenger needs and will and can easily step aside, even when serving from a trolley, to allow a passenger to pass-by to get back to their seat; of course these CC are seldom more than 60Kg. I'm 88Kg and have difficulty walking the narrow aisles of 3x4x3 airliners without touching seated passengers shoulders.
Remembering when I worked in heavy maintenance, fuel tank, through access panels, work was not suitable for the bigger guys; radio guys were typically small, and could access equipment inside the likes of tail booms and fins.
Those suspended individuals may well have seen the 95Kg colleague bumping through the cabin, but would not risk reporting the inconvenience that individual causes to the passengers.
Traditional standards have been lost.
WhatsApp, X and the like are sadly a way of life now.
Remembering when I worked in heavy maintenance, fuel tank, through access panels, work was not suitable for the bigger guys; radio guys were typically small, and could access equipment inside the likes of tail booms and fins.
Those suspended individuals may well have seen the 95Kg colleague bumping through the cabin, but would not risk reporting the inconvenience that individual causes to the passengers.
Traditional standards have been lost.
WhatsApp, X and the like are sadly a way of life now.
How times have changed and sticks and stones comes into mind.
Early 70s as a second officer on standby senior captain ex bomber command with ribbons “just seen that C@@@ C@@@@@@g’ referring to our new assistant flight manager ex union rep and turncoat.
Another common comment “another f@@@@@@g Freemason “.
and before anyone jumps down my throat with a French nobility name and an Essex accent along with white socks I’ve had my more than fair share.
Those times cabin crew were checked before leaving the crew center and if they weren’t presentable enough taken off the flight - standards darling.
Early 70s as a second officer on standby senior captain ex bomber command with ribbons “just seen that C@@@ C@@@@@@g’ referring to our new assistant flight manager ex union rep and turncoat.
Another common comment “another f@@@@@@g Freemason “.
and before anyone jumps down my throat with a French nobility name and an Essex accent along with white socks I’ve had my more than fair share.
Those times cabin crew were checked before leaving the crew center and if they weren’t presentable enough taken off the flight - standards darling.
In the old days it was one person's word against the other. Very hard to prove who said what when nothing is written down. Now with social media, and this is the thing, it is all on the record. All of it and people have just made HRs job, and the courts job, easier. Have you read 1984? Well it is now 20 years ago and is actually a history text.
There's still the human factor. Just because it's written down doesn't mean anybody has to act on it. The issue in 1984 was not the technology but the social acceptance of endlessly judging people for what they say and then bullying them into silence.
It's depressing to see it continuing, and it's also depressing to see someone here saying that 'their (BAs) reputation would be compromised if they retained such an employee' - when I think that most people see this sort of overbearing action as compromising their reputation much more than retaining such an employee.
The issue is with the weird sort of people who have colonised HR departments and who are massively loud on twitter who think that nobody should ever say anything offensive ever and that employers are the means to bully that 'bad behaviour' out of people. They are creating a very unpleasant society full of rats and snitches who think that 'call-out culture' is making society grow when in fact it's just cutting everyone off from each other.
This is absolutely the incorrect action by BA, and they should stand firmly against this sort of manipulative crybullying.
It's depressing to see it continuing, and it's also depressing to see someone here saying that 'their (BAs) reputation would be compromised if they retained such an employee' - when I think that most people see this sort of overbearing action as compromising their reputation much more than retaining such an employee.
The issue is with the weird sort of people who have colonised HR departments and who are massively loud on twitter who think that nobody should ever say anything offensive ever and that employers are the means to bully that 'bad behaviour' out of people. They are creating a very unpleasant society full of rats and snitches who think that 'call-out culture' is making society grow when in fact it's just cutting everyone off from each other.
This is absolutely the incorrect action by BA, and they should stand firmly against this sort of manipulative crybullying.
If it had 'remained' a private conversation - so, if I'm in the pub and say something rude about fats and someone there happens to know that I work for BA and reports it to them, would it be okay for them to act?