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Old 21st Jun 2024, 09:31
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What would you suggest is done at airfields to better protect the perimeter?
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What would you suggest is done at airfields to better protect the perimeter?
Automated machine gun nests and watch towers.
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The only way to secure civilian airfields is to adopt the military way of protecting theirs. The fly in that ointment are those who will cry "oooooh its too expensive...can't do that!".

So far the UK has been fairly fortunate in that incursions from outside the peri fence have not been overly serious. It is only a matter of time before someone does take things a few steps further - most incidents of this type are due to drivers losing control of their vehicles cos of a medical problem or drink/drug issues and its thankfully still fairly rare.

Pre-emptive peri security should be considered in this anarchic time that we seem to be living in. Who picks up the bill for it, well that will be the classic case of buck (or bill) passing.
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Anyone know the registration marks / ownership info of the aircraft that were vandalised?

Be interesting to see if they picked at random.
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It is concerning to hear about the recent events involving climate protesters at the private aircraft handling area in Great Britain. While it's important to respect differing perspectives, it's crucial to address environmental concerns through peaceful and constructive means. Vandalism and unauthorized access are not the way to promote environmental awareness. It's essential for individuals and communities to engage in meaningful dialogues and take positive actions to address climate change and environmental issues. Let's work together to protect our planet for future generations, fostering a sustainable and harmonious relationship with our environment.
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Old 21st Jun 2024, 12:34
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Originally Posted by golfbananajam
What would you suggest is done at airfields to better protect the perimeter?
External perimeter intrusion detection and alarm/notification has been available for along time for examples such as this.

And no, this technology is not the same as CCTV.
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Old 21st Jun 2024, 14:50
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If anyone wants to enter an airport, they can do it. Unless there is a continuous patrol with dogs you can't stop them. In years gone by, people had respect for fences. Now those who don't should be locked up for a long time.
I SUPPOSE society in 2024 would be a little prone to tut tut if the fences at such allegedly secure locations had features common for the IGB in the 80s and so...

Makes you wonder if Buck House, the GCHQ donught and other protected premises are actually easy to get into... Not that I intend to try or research, for the benefit of the spooks'...
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The 2 protagonists pleaded not guilty at court today (purely, of course, to guarantee more publicity, given the evidence they posted all over the interpipes)

They were denied bail and the next hearing will be at Chelmsford Crown Court on 22 Jul. A month inside should allow them plenty of thinking time.
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BBC reporting £52,000 worth of damage to the aircraft. Really hope they are compelled to pay it ............. and spend time locked up. Ideally they should also be made to pay damages and compensation to the aircraft owners, the airport authority, the airlines whose flights were disrupted, and the passengers on those flights. Sadly I suspect that will not happen, but as they have pleaded Not Guilty, their Defence Barristers will have a hard task ahead.
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Originally Posted by Local Variation
External perimeter intrusion detection and alarm/notification has been available for along time for examples such as this.
Indeed. Try the same sort of stunt at a certain nuclear site and see how long it is before you have been 'red dotted' by seriously armed police and/or find yourself in the firm grip of a well trained dog...
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The business park at Stansted used to be very popular with aviation enthusiasts but a few years ago they were banned from entering, apparently over privacy concerns from customers of Harrods and Universal. Had they still been allowed, extra sets of eyes and ears might have reduced the impact.
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The business park at Stansted used to be very popular with aviation enthusiasts but a few years ago they were banned from entering, apparently over privacy concerns from customers of Harrods and Universal. Had they still been allowed, extra sets of eyes and ears might have reduced the impact.
Do the lessors of the Harrod's and Universal shed own the business park? Or does the airport own the business park? Serious question. If they don't own it, why a Churchillian reverse salute was not offered...?
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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 21:27
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Do the lessors of the Harrod's and Universal shed own the business park? Or does the airport own the business park? Serious question. If they don't own it, why a Churchillian reverse salute was not offered...?
MAG sold off the Northside and all is now owned by Columbia Threadneedle. The FBOs handle Heads Of State, VVIP, HNI etc so yes privacy is the whole reason for using a FBO.
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Originally Posted by BonnieLass
The only way to secure civilian airfields is to adopt the military way of protecting theirs. The fly in that ointment are those who will cry "oooooh its too expensive...can't do that!".

So far the UK has been fairly fortunate in that incursions from outside the peri fence have not been overly serious. It is only a matter of time before someone does take things a few steps further - most incidents of this type are due to drivers losing control of their vehicles cos of a medical problem or drink/drug issues and its thankfully still fairly rare.

Pre-emptive peri security should be considered in this anarchic time that we seem to be living in. Who picks up the bill for it, well that will be the classic case of buck (or bill) passing.
I'm surprised you think RAF airfield perimeters are better protected, in my experience, that's not the case, though the consequences of getting caught may well be more instinctive and severe.
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Originally Posted by golfbananajam
I'm surprised you think RAF airfield perimeters are better protected, in my experience, that's not the case, though the consequences of getting caught may well be more instinctive and severe.
I can still remember Greenham Common protests, pretty sure someone got into the control tower too I think at one stage. Maybe the JSO's and their ilk should do an "embrace the base" protest...stay outside the peri fence, link arms and quietly protest just as the Greenham women did. Didn't do that much damage, relatively peaceful, no orange paint used but they got their point across and they gained backing from the public. Whereas JSO etc are determined to damage everything, cause traffic hold ups etc and the public are largely sick to death of them.
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Old 24th Jun 2024, 10:06
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Originally Posted by Lascaille
Anyone know the registration marks / ownership info of the aircraft that were vandalised?

Be interesting to see if they picked at random.
Those two jets were the first (private jet) ones you'd get to in a direct line (365m approx.) from the hole in the fence they cut
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Old 24th Jun 2024, 11:21
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MAG sold off the Northside and all is now owned by Columbia Threadneedle. The FBOs handle Heads Of State, VVIP, HNI etc so yes privacy is the whole reason for using a FBO.
But what "right" do the FBOs have if they don't own the place. It might be semantics. I guess they can complain to their landlord who (if they own all that business park) can make the ban but...?

And I suppose they could put up better fences if they are worried about a few people with a long lens. For some of the high value passengers, a person with serious bad intent would tell a rent-a-cop on minimum wage to F O if they had something they were shortly going to "point" or "fire" through the fence...?
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Old 24th Jun 2024, 11:22
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Originally Posted by BonnieLass
I can still remember Greenham Common protests, pretty sure someone got into the control tower too I think at one stage. Maybe the JSO's and their ilk should do an "embrace the base" protest...stay outside the peri fence, link arms and quietly protest just as the Greenham women did. Didn't do that much damage, relatively peaceful, no orange paint used but they got their point across and they gained backing from the public. Whereas JSO etc are determined to damage everything, cause traffic hold ups etc and the public are largely sick to death of them.
I recall there was a certain "peace" between the police/US gate guard and the protestors. Some of the men were scared of the harridans though and also were under orders to not be tempted to "fraternize with the enemy".... Unless the passage of time has clouded my memory, there were still some "play rules" that mostly were followed for the benefit of both sides.
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Those two jets were the first (private jet) ones you'd get to in a direct line (365m approx.) from the hole in the fence they cut
It's a pity the first two jets they reached weren't a couple of EasyJet A320s.

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Time these protesters had their own houses sprayed orange.
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