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Old 4th May 2024, 10:10
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Boeing don’t actually design or make the toilet seats mate but I get your point….
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Report of 787 falsification of inspection records in Charleston by workers
Article on Airbus vs. Boeing after AB Quarterly Results

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787 Progress

LNs 1194, 1193, 1192, 1191 (ZE641/787-10 ZE514/787-10 ZC109/787-9 ZC025/787-9) are undergoing final assembly in 4 slots in gthe Charsletown factory - These are meant for (Singapore Airline, British Airways, Lufthansa and American Airlines) and they all carry the Trent-1000 except the American Airlines 787-9 that carries the GenX-1B
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Old 7th May 2024, 09:44
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I see the manned Starliner flight has been postponed again - quoting a suspect oxygen relief valve just two hours before lift off. No indication of how it was found, last minute supplier recall or BITE failure or whatever, but another visible failure. Surely the basic oxygen system in spacecraft is well understood and not a high risk system these days ?
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Old 7th May 2024, 10:09
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It's new - and small glitches have always been very common on any manned mission.
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Old 7th May 2024, 10:19
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
It's new - and small glitches have always been very common on any manned mission.
Yes, I get that but my point is that oxygen systems appear to be well understood and haven't been a big issue in the past, so is it that previous experience has been lost or is it that the level of risk analysis and acceptable risk is now so much lower than was the case in the Apollo days that getting previously acceptable systems to a currently acceptable risk level is becoming almost too difficult.
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The valve is part of the rocket, not the capsule. In particular, part of the Atlas V upper stage - Centaur. It's not that new. There remain only 17 more Atlas V launches.

The overall launch vehicle is the responsibility of ULA which is two segments of Boeing plus two segments of Lockheed-Martin. Centaur propulsion appears to be largely the engineering responsibility of Aerojet Rocketdyne. The booster appears to have been designed with the partial goal of absorbing engines from Russia to keep Russian rocket scientists from going to high bidders elsewhere. This became a problem when Russia invaded Crimea.

This should be launch 100 for Atlas V design with 0 launch failures in the previous 99, and 2 anomolies in the upper stage failure to deliver to full altitude. The satellites were in slightly lower than desired orbits, but still usable from the first and the second simply used more Centaur fuel that was intended for de-orbit of the upper stage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_...success_record

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Old 7th May 2024, 11:02
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Originally Posted by CAEBr
Surely the basic oxygen system in spacecraft is well understood and not a high risk system these days ?
The problem seems to be with the Atlas V.

https://www.reuters.com/science/boei...on-2024-05-06/

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Report of 787 falsification of inspection records in Charleston by workers
Article on Airbus vs. Boeing after AB Quarterly Results

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US FAA opens probe into Boeing 787 inspections

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Originally Posted by MechEngr
The valve is part of the rocket, not the capsule. In particular, part of the Atlas V upper stage - Centaur. It's not that new. There remain only 17 more Atlas V launches.

The .. .
Thanks for the clarification MechEngr


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Old 7th May 2024, 16:23
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@ Claybird

The charts with the colour background and details about aircraft production and et cetera: where are these published, please, if it is a publicly available source? If it isn't available publicly, could you please give descriptive information about where these are found? They are quite interesting charts, .... or whatever would be the proper nomenclature.
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Whistle-Santiago Paredes worked at Spirit for 12 years until 2022

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Given the crap that Spirit is allegedly shipping to Boeing, I have to wonder why Airbus is so steadfast in keeping Spirit as a supplier (including steps to make it harder for Boeing to re-acquiring Spirit...)
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Given the crap that Spirit is allegedly shipping to Boeing, I have to wonder why Airbus is so steadfast in keeping Spirit as a supplier (including steps to make it harder for Boeing to re-acquiring Spirit...)
Thinking out loud but is it possible that Airbus has a better QA program and more inspection so they aren't have the same issues as Boeing?
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Old 8th May 2024, 23:59
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Given the crap that Spirit is allegedly shipping to Boeing, I have to wonder why Airbus is so steadfast in keeping Spirit as a supplier (including steps to make it harder for Boeing to re-acquiring Spirit...)
AFAIK the division of Spirit that makes Airbus parts is in Ireland.

From BBC

Spirit has a major operation in Northern Ireland, which manufactures the wings for the Airbus A220. It is one of Northern Ireland's largest and most important manufacturing businesses with more than 3,000 employees.
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Old 9th May 2024, 00:04
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Originally Posted by MechEngr
AFAIK the division of Spirit that makes Airbus parts is in Ireland.

From BBC
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that is not the only Spirit division that makes Airbus parts - some are made in the US.
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Old 9th May 2024, 00:21
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https://www.spiritaero.com/company/programs/

The most I see is

The Airbus A350 is a key program for Spirit. The central section panels are built in Kinston, North Carolina, then incorporated into the fuselage (Section 15) in Saint-Nazaire, France. Spirit also manufactures the A350 wing front spar and fixed leading edge.
They don't attribute a location for the wing front spar and fixed leading edge, but maybe Kinston as well?
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"AFAIK the division of Spirit that makes Airbus parts is in Ireland."

yes - the old Shorts/Bombardier now Spirit operation in Belfast

Think it also does work for Airbus on the A.220 - it would make sense to sell the whole thing to Airbus TBH
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Originally Posted by MechEngr
AFAIK the division of Spirit that makes Airbus parts is in Ireland.

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Spirit has a major operation in Northern Ireland, which manufactures the wings for the Airbus A220. It is one of Northern Ireland's largest and most important manufacturing businesses with more than 3,000 employees.
That of course came about because the A220 was formerly the Bombardier CSeries, and Bombardier owned Shorts for many years following privatisation, before selling the operation to Spirit in 2020.

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