EVTOL news and progress
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Wizofoz
You might want to read this recent news article..
https://www.ehang.com/news/1101.html
So 13 years, none certified, none in service.
https://www.ehang.com/news/1101.html
Yep, my immediate reaction was a Disneyland ride. I'm curious if multi-rotor craft like this will exhibit any helicopter issues similar to things like dynamic rollover, vortex ring state, etc. How are things like this supposed to land after failure of several rotors/motors? Are they able to compensate for asymmetric loss of lift? How do they safely land after loss of power? How reliable and what sort of backup do the control computers have? Who's parsed their software? Would I like things like this flying over my house? Inquiring minds want to know!
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For example, the tilt-rotor concept was at the prototype stage for well ovet 30 years till the V22 was built and the clean-sheet Beechcraft Denali is following a similar timeline as the eVTOLs.
So if you're looking to compare, start at 2016 for eVTOLs as some of the pre-production models started flying then and when compared to the conventional Denali with existing rules, the Joby and Archer eVTOL certifications will probably finish up just after the Denali even though there are no current FAA/EASA formal eVTOL cert rules.
Even long established regulatory guidance keeps UAM at the commercial level, piloted, and VFR only until the service matures.
However, if you want pick up your own Jetson1 or Joby to zip around in you can. But I think you will be limited were you can fly it in the current scope of things. Plenty out there if you choose to read up on it.
Pegase Driver
@ wrench1 : Ok lets stick to UAM commercial ops only then .
Back to the ehang press release : . as Wisofoz remarked , their last para is interesting :
I did not know the term " forward looking statement" , reminds me of the " alternative facts" of the Trump Public Relations era.:
, but in fact it is over-optimism at its best . meant primarily to collect investment money . But reality always strikes back one day . Read the Hydrogen experiments gone bust on the other thread as an example.
And look at the Volocopter/Volocity fiasco in Paris . I am not saying it will never happen , but it will take time.. many years, if not one or 2 decades.
Back to the ehang press release : . as Wisofoz remarked , their last para is interesting :
"forward-looking statements" can be identified by terminology such as “will,” “expects,” “anticipates,” “aims,” “future,” “intends,” “plans,” “believes,” “estimates,” “likely to” and similar statements. Statements that are not historical facts, including statements about management’s beliefs and expectations, are forward-looking statements.
, but in fact it is over-optimism at its best . meant primarily to collect investment money . But reality always strikes back one day . Read the Hydrogen experiments gone bust on the other thread as an example.And look at the Volocopter/Volocity fiasco in Paris . I am not saying it will never happen , but it will take time.. many years, if not one or 2 decades.
Most companies will put the "forward looking statement" at the end of their respective news releases or update articles. For some it is a US regulatory requirement and applies only to company financials. A quick internet search will bring up more. No politics required.
I think 2028 will be the year. It would have been a little earlier but the FAA changed course on evtol certification so it added time to get things squared on an international level especially with EASA.
They also very recently released the NPRM for public guidance on evtol certification so in my experience I think the 2028 time frame is still valid to see things move forward and evtol uam ops start. There are also several cities that are completing uam infrastructures in anticipation of a 2028 start date with some to be ready earlier.
Volocopter has been at this the longest and I think wanted to jump start things. But as of last February it didnt look like the Paris taxi runs would happen for various reasons. However, I wouldnt be surprised if you saw a Volocopter flying around the Paris area in some limited fashion.
I am not saying it will never happen , but it will take time.. many years, if not one or 2 decades.
They also very recently released the NPRM for public guidance on evtol certification so in my experience I think the 2028 time frame is still valid to see things move forward and evtol uam ops start. There are also several cities that are completing uam infrastructures in anticipation of a 2028 start date with some to be ready earlier.
Volocopter has been at this the longest and I think wanted to jump start things. But as of last February it didnt look like the Paris taxi runs would happen for various reasons. However, I wouldnt be surprised if you saw a Volocopter flying around the Paris area in some limited fashion.
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Why - it was asked earlier - are Joby pursuing Part 135 AOC approval and Cirrus 22 fixed wing flights? Their President of Operations, Bonny Simi, answers ....
And the pilots?
And the pilots?
