PIA A320 Crash Karachi
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It does look like that would fit the reports as well as the photographs and perhaps the engines made their imminent departure apparent which explains the truncated GA
No RAT in that photo I don’t think it’s related.
AH usually pretty good for detail so no clue why Simon uploaded that.
AH usually pretty good for detail so no clue why Simon uploaded that.
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The Airblue crash in 2010 happened with a highly religious captain who was fasting, and diabetic. Regulators should definitely mandate regular meals for pilots before and during flights!
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It’s easy to leave the gear down and it’s been done more than once, especially if the PM gets distracted during the ‘gear up’ call. However an A320 would be very unhappy indeed if you tried to land with the gear up. Was the belly landing intentional?
And I’m struggling to understand going around from a belly landing as it seems the inevitable damage to the engines left them with a double flameout.
Unless somehow (and I don’t know how - they forgot AND the gear config failed AND they didn’t do the checklist) they landed without the gear and then were shocked into going around at the resulting cruncher.
And I’m struggling to understand going around from a belly landing as it seems the inevitable damage to the engines left them with a double flameout.
Unless somehow (and I don’t know how - they forgot AND the gear config failed AND they didn’t do the checklist) they landed without the gear and then were shocked into going around at the resulting cruncher.
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The pictures with the supposedly scraped engines seem to show a whiff of white smoke (oil?) coming from below the nacelles.
Could the black marks also indicate thermal damage as opposed to or on top of scrapes?
#2 certainly looks a bit banged up.
+1 on at least one engine without rotation on impact.
Could the black marks also indicate thermal damage as opposed to or on top of scrapes?
#2 certainly looks a bit banged up.
+1 on at least one engine without rotation on impact.
So AVHerald, do us a favour and remove the fake news.
It’s easy to leave the gear down and it’s been done more than once, especially if the PM gets distracted during the ‘gear up’ call. However an A320 would be very unhappy indeed if you tried to land with the gear up. Was the belly landing intentional?
And I’m struggling to understand going around from a belly landing as it seems the inevitable damage to the engines left them with a double flameout.
Unless somehow (and I don’t know how - they forgot AND the gear config failed AND they didn’t do the checklist) they landed without the gear and then were shocked into going around at the resulting cruncher.
And I’m struggling to understand going around from a belly landing as it seems the inevitable damage to the engines left them with a double flameout.
Unless somehow (and I don’t know how - they forgot AND the gear config failed AND they didn’t do the checklist) they landed without the gear and then were shocked into going around at the resulting cruncher.
Re. Bob Viking's post #59, and the altitude trace on Dave Reid UK's post #55, the FR24 altitude data has to be interpreted with care. I think you may find it is referenced to an altimeter sub-scale setting of standard (1013 hPa). The 0955Z METAR gives a QNH of 1004, and the airfield elevation is 100 ft. Therefore, an altimeter set to 1013 hPa on its sub-scale would have read about 350 ft on the ground.
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They probably found out about the gear not down on climb out. Which is why I assume they conducted the missed app, thought it was a just a bad touchdown. Certainly is not an engine I would be wanting on the wing for a gear up arrival. Let alone slamming a CFM on the deck.
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You’re absolutely correct and I was dumb not to think of it like that.
TBH I am not a regular user of FR24 (I only use it to check on status of flights I’m waiting for!) so assumed it was showing AGL.
I will learn to keep my mouth shut in future!
BV
TBH I am not a regular user of FR24 (I only use it to check on status of flights I’m waiting for!) so assumed it was showing AGL.
I will learn to keep my mouth shut in future!
BV
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4 years ago, a PIA crashed in Ramadan. Pilot error was the nominating factor whilst dealing with an engine failure.
Today we see another accident in the month of Ramadan. If this accident was caused by yet more pilot error, then there must be an investigation to see if the crew were observing their fasts whilst operating. I think this may be an underlying issue with pilot judgement and decision making.
Today we see another accident in the month of Ramadan. If this accident was caused by yet more pilot error, then there must be an investigation to see if the crew were observing their fasts whilst operating. I think this may be an underlying issue with pilot judgement and decision making.