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Let's review the quote properly:
It gives you an LNAV go-around, so there are advantages if there is time! A switched on crew who are happy with what they are doing, given an early switch- no problem. If you are not happy, don't do it! If you are really not happy, don't accept the switch! Let's not make a major discussion point of something that takes not much over 5 seconds to a proficient, experienced operator! The advantage? On the 747-400, it also autotunes the new ILS for you, as well as giving you the correct new go-around.
...get new go-around read to you- if time get new runway in FMS, but not essential
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Rainboe, let's not forget that not all FMS's are equal and even if they are, not all airlines pay for the full database. Until I flew the B744, I cannot remember ever seeing the missed approach being available in the FMC on the B737, B757 and B767's I flew previously. Also, the RAD/NAV option didn't have the pre-select option on the other Boeing models I flew.
At airports where there is a possibility of a runway change, at least the ILS can be pre-selected. As mentioned, just takes 2 seconds to enter if you are reasonably proficient with the FMC and ATC are not of the type who incessantly bombard you with new instructions at the most critical moments.
Of course, what can be even more exciting is the 'breakout' manoeuvre when conducting a PRM/SOIA. Now that is a fully manual manoeuvre... and in close proximity to another a/c. Never flown one for real and haven't seen a sim that can reproduce it with the other a/c. (PRM/SOIA for those not familiar with the term is Precision Runway Monitored/Simultaneous Offset Instrument Approach)
At airports where there is a possibility of a runway change, at least the ILS can be pre-selected. As mentioned, just takes 2 seconds to enter if you are reasonably proficient with the FMC and ATC are not of the type who incessantly bombard you with new instructions at the most critical moments.
Of course, what can be even more exciting is the 'breakout' manoeuvre when conducting a PRM/SOIA. Now that is a fully manual manoeuvre... and in close proximity to another a/c. Never flown one for real and haven't seen a sim that can reproduce it with the other a/c. (PRM/SOIA for those not familiar with the term is Precision Runway Monitored/Simultaneous Offset Instrument Approach)
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That would be the F100 Super Shed then, some sled.
Seriously, it would seem that the rules for accepting the "swing" are not cast in concrete, but rather down to pilot discretion on the day.
Some in the glasshouse will not offer nearer than 4 miles but others apparently do - I can understand an emergency warranting a late swing, but merely for traffic ? Is this a potential issue arising ?
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Seriously, it would seem that the rules for accepting the "swing" are not cast in concrete, but rather down to pilot discretion on the day.
Some in the glasshouse will not offer nearer than 4 miles but others apparently do - I can understand an emergency warranting a late swing, but merely for traffic ? Is this a potential issue arising ?
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Nah, SD360 sorry. (SD 330, was just a shed.) I'll go away now because I'm
not realy helping here.
ps. for Danny, we have them on the 757/767 fleet now, but then I'm new on it. So can't say how long they have been there.
not realy helping here.
ps. for Danny, we have them on the 757/767 fleet now, but then I'm new on it. So can't say how long they have been there.
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EGPWS
Just a question. If you dont update "the box" as to the new runway, will the EGPWS get upset and think your landing in a field.
Just want to avoid any paperwork explaining. I'm thinking modern Airbus/Boeings.Thanks.
Just want to avoid any paperwork explaining. I'm thinking modern Airbus/Boeings.Thanks.
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Agreed, Mr Bernoulli,
The problem is that gazing out of windows often is associated with day-dreaming. Can't look outside and punch buttons at the same time you know and these days it seems that punching buttons is more important.
There are occasions when it is best to "forget the book and fly the plane" but these decisions are not always easily explained afterwards and to those for whom it is convenient to take refuge in the "book".
The problem is that gazing out of windows often is associated with day-dreaming. Can't look outside and punch buttons at the same time you know and these days it seems that punching buttons is more important.
There are occasions when it is best to "forget the book and fly the plane" but these decisions are not always easily explained afterwards and to those for whom it is convenient to take refuge in the "book".
