Why would you do this in an R44?
Taking this thread one step further away from from reality,
would a passenger, holding a rope attached to the ground have enough strength to affect normal flight in a perhaps subtle and progressive way for the R44 to roll to a point beyond which the pilot would not be able to regain control?
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would a passenger, holding a rope attached to the ground have enough strength to affect normal flight in a perhaps subtle and progressive way for the R44 to roll to a point beyond which the pilot would not be able to regain control?
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Can't speak for the R44. Have never flown in a Robinson and don't expect to.
The U.S. Coast Guard actually has published procedures for towing distressed boats by helicopter. I never had one of my crews do it nor have I ever seen nor heard of it being done, but the procedure does indeed exist.
The tow line must be held in hand, is not permitted to be partly or completely wrapped around anything in or on the aircraft, to include the person holding it. If one's hand strength is sufficient to tow a boat, it can be towed. If it isn't... it can't be.
Can't speak for the R44. Have never flown in a Robinson and don't expect to.
The U.S. Coast Guard actually has published procedures for towing distressed boats by helicopter. I never had one of my crews do it nor have I ever seen nor heard of it being done, but the procedure does indeed exist.
The tow line must be held in hand, is not permitted to be partly or completely wrapped around anything in or on the aircraft, to include the person holding it. If one's hand strength is sufficient to tow a boat, it can be towed. If it isn't... it can't be.
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helimutt, R22 Heavy never saw and understood why that Jetranger towing the boat for fun suddenly rolled and whacked into water..
I didn't realise the dangers of DR while not directly on the ground, or that it could be, for that matter, until I was told about it by instructor. I actually saw the vid before, but didn't attribute it to DR. The recipe has all the main ingredients.
I didn't realise the dangers of DR while not directly on the ground, or that it could be, for that matter, until I was told about it by instructor. I actually saw the vid before, but didn't attribute it to DR. The recipe has all the main ingredients.
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Um...lifting... 
Have never flown in a Robinson and don't expect to " Maybe you should try before you go peddling your 2nd hand opinion.
Have never flown in a Robinson and don't expect to " Maybe you should try before you go peddling your 2nd hand opinion.
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Um...lifting... 
Have never flown in a Robinson and don't expect to " Maybe you should try before you go peddling your 2nd hand opinion.
Have never flown in a Robinson and don't expect to " Maybe you should try before you go peddling your 2nd hand opinion.
I think you'll find I didn't express an opinion one way or another as I said: "I can't speak for the R44" and I didn't.
I spelled out a procedure that exists for other machines. That's kind of different. You might want to read a little slower before you try to tell people what they said.
(back atcha)If I were to express an opinion, I might possibly guess that attempting to attach a line to a machine that weighs less than 25% what the smallest machine operated by my old service and has maybe 15% of the power for the purpose of towing anything might not be the best idea in the history of ideas.
But, I'm not expressing an opinion, so if you care to blow a hole in that supposition... fill yer boots.
Um... Lifting...
Good answer!
It seems to me that too many Prooners are sitting on the sideline waiting to jump on anything they could remotely consider to be controversial. If a particular contributor dares to express an opinion, he/she shouldn't be flamed for it. If it's factually wrong, it would be nice to be politely corrected - education is one of the key benefits of this forum. I'll probably get flamed for posting this!
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Good answer!
It seems to me that too many Prooners are sitting on the sideline waiting to jump on anything they could remotely consider to be controversial. If a particular contributor dares to express an opinion, he/she shouldn't be flamed for it. If it's factually wrong, it would be nice to be politely corrected - education is one of the key benefits of this forum. I'll probably get flamed for posting this!
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This whole thread is about opinions, obviously the dudes in the 44 are trying to achieve some out come 
other than their own demise. I read your thread Um...lifting... from toptobottom and can appreciate that you may not have had an opertunity to fly a R44 but go out and do a bit of work in a R44 you may be pleasantly surrprised, its not all about how big it is.
other than their own demise. I read your thread Um...lifting... from toptobottom and can appreciate that you may not have had an opertunity to fly a R44 but go out and do a bit of work in a R44 you may be pleasantly surrprised, its not all about how big it is.
Ag-Rotor - you've missed the point.
Um... Lifting isn't necessarily criticising the R44; he's just saying he doesn't expect to fly one. That could be for all sorts of reasons, not least personal circumstance. Incidentally, my opinion of the R44 is well docuemented (and i fly one every day): it sounds like a tractor and looks like a giraffe, but it's excellent value, versatile and very reliable (in my personal view, before i get flamed 
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...but go out and do a bit of work in a R44 you may be pleasantly surrprised, its not all about how big it is
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The "hold in hand" approach Um...Lifting speaks of can still go wrong in an R44 (and other heli's?.....(awaiting flame here)) if the duals are still in place.
If the rope gets under the left collective and goes tight, up comes the collective and it is very hard to repair.
Don't ask how I know.
I assume this method of towing should be "without dual controls fitted..."
If the rope gets under the left collective and goes tight, up comes the collective and it is very hard to repair.
Don't ask how I know.
I assume this method of towing should be "without dual controls fitted..."
