Yorkshire PPLH threatened with ASBO for helicopter noise nuisance
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Yorkshire PPLH threatened with ASBO for helicopter noise nuisance
Seems like a spat between neighbours, but an ASBO for helicopter noise would be a nasty precedent - see article. Checking owner's name on CAA site looks like he has R44 G-MGAN
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This is what happend to his last helicopter, neighbours might be a little jumpy!
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...highlight=OLIZ
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...highlight=OLIZ
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... he had barely used his £250,000 four-seater helicopter in the last few months ...
I must agree. Sounds a bit of a Tw*t to me.
Just trying to work out why a so called multi millionaire buys a 44 when he could afford something a little better.
Didn't he do well crashing between his neighbours houses!!!
Just trying to work out why a so called multi millionaire buys a 44 when he could afford something a little better.
Didn't he do well crashing between his neighbours houses!!!
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Hello Andrew, Welcome to PPRune. I hope you enjoy it. Just dont take it too seriously. Its the best of the forums. You were lucky to get out of that 22
Try your best not to do the same with the Astro - that would seriously piss off the neighbours.
Phil Price. G-BDKD
Oh- and whats the real story?
Try your best not to do the same with the Astro - that would seriously piss off the neighbours.
Phil Price. G-BDKD
Oh- and whats the real story?
You dont need to know someone to call them a tw*t after making comments in a newspaper article like one did.
In the UK people are generally noise/nuisance sensitive when it comes to helicopters. It does not help our fraternity when people have no regard for this issue.
Yes yes yes I understand that neighbours can sometimes be a little bit of a pain and tend to complain about anything they can but this usually happens when you dont get on with them in the first place. Crashing your 22 between them does not help I suppose.
For those that continue to piss people off being a nuisance with their helo then grow up and consider the people who fly for a living who try and get through their career in a professional maner.
You are not the first and you wont be the last. There are plenty of di*k heads out there who feel they can do what they want because they have their own 44/500/109 etc and a few quid in their back pocket. The 500 in Cornwall was a recent issue. The council soon stopped that.
In the UK people are generally noise/nuisance sensitive when it comes to helicopters. It does not help our fraternity when people have no regard for this issue.
Yes yes yes I understand that neighbours can sometimes be a little bit of a pain and tend to complain about anything they can but this usually happens when you dont get on with them in the first place. Crashing your 22 between them does not help I suppose.
For those that continue to piss people off being a nuisance with their helo then grow up and consider the people who fly for a living who try and get through their career in a professional maner.
You are not the first and you wont be the last. There are plenty of di*k heads out there who feel they can do what they want because they have their own 44/500/109 etc and a few quid in their back pocket. The 500 in Cornwall was a recent issue. The council soon stopped that.
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Hmm Jeepys, I would be very careful about forming an opinion of anyone based on an article in the press. They are not noted for their balanced views or unbiased reporting. We will have a better idea if he's a **** or not if he continues to frequent this place.
Okay fair one Gaseous you obviously know him, however if Mr Taylor did not say what was written by the press then the press themselves can be on dodgy ground.
What was quoted as said in the article may or may not have been true but as a generalisation anyone who thinks that way is a tw*t. This may or may not be the case only Mr Taylor and the reporter will ever know. Read the article.
Just one other thing, in many cases with a FIVE ACRE home you could perform an approach and departure without being a nuisance to neighbours. Could this be adopted in Mr Taylors pad?
It works in my tiny 2 acres. I wonder if Mr T would like to buy my little cottage.
What was quoted as said in the article may or may not have been true but as a generalisation anyone who thinks that way is a tw*t. This may or may not be the case only Mr Taylor and the reporter will ever know. Read the article.
Just one other thing, in many cases with a FIVE ACRE home you could perform an approach and departure without being a nuisance to neighbours. Could this be adopted in Mr Taylors pad?
It works in my tiny 2 acres. I wonder if Mr T would like to buy my little cottage.
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jeepys I've got to go with Gaseous on this one. I certainly don't know the fella, but I've certainly have been pictured in the press under various headings and not been able to do anything about it.
At least he stuck his head over the parapet, you've got to give him credit for that.
At least he stuck his head over the parapet, you've got to give him credit for that.
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We all have problems with neighbours, in my opinion there are two ways of going about sorting them out, carry on being tainted with the problem and ignoring whats happening(much like the present Prime Minister) or take a few steps towards friendship, example:.. give em a Mince Pie and a good ole swig of the falling down water, then invite them to have a look at their house from the air ( be very careful not to frighten them, tell them every move your going to make) that way they WILL change their attitude. Either way you will become that rich bastard who was trying to show off to us, OR more likely, What a good chap he is, he's offered us another flight when the Wx is better.
From a devoted hard nosed Lancastrian, IT COSTS NOWT TO BE NICE. I know its somtimes difficult for the Tykes to see that, but its worth a try!!
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From a devoted hard nosed Lancastrian, IT COSTS NOWT TO BE NICE. I know its somtimes difficult for the Tykes to see that, but its worth a try!!
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Jeeps when do they ever get it right and do they care ...no. As long as they get a good headline and sell more papers they don't give a S**t. With regard to your comments about what you can do if they do mis-report or should I say when they mis-report an incident or misquote you....you'll have to have deep pockets to fight it and in the meantime they'll get more money out of the headlines that you're trying!
I admired Elton John many years ago when they tried to ruin the guy and he had the deep pockets to fight them and they still got there headline when he won.
I don't know Andrew but do know that there are people in this world who just can't see people doing well for themselves. I come from a working class background, own a R44 and once heard a guy ( who I thought was a friend albeit not a close one) calling me "that c**t with the helicopter" ...nice eh??
I find a bit like gaseous and Peter a softly softly approach works well and if they don't accept that then no matter what you do they will complain. Safe flying all.....heading out now to buy a newspaper
I admired Elton John many years ago when they tried to ruin the guy and he had the deep pockets to fight them and they still got there headline when he won.
I don't know Andrew but do know that there are people in this world who just can't see people doing well for themselves. I come from a working class background, own a R44 and once heard a guy ( who I thought was a friend albeit not a close one) calling me "that c**t with the helicopter" ...nice eh??
I find a bit like gaseous and Peter a softly softly approach works well and if they don't accept that then no matter what you do they will complain. Safe flying all.....heading out now to buy a newspaper
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a balanced view
I have a lot of sympathy with Mr Taylor (no I don't know him).
He made the mistake of crashing near his neighbour.
Andrew Taylor has probably wound him up just by being successful, and with that as a starting point, things can get out of hand very quickly. If you watch the clip, note the complete absence of "thank goodness the pilot wasn't killed".
The taking-your-neighbours-up thing really does work, but not everyone is receptive to this approach.
Talking of approaches, with more flying experience and more power, there really shouldn't be any need to using that guy's bungalow roof as a VASI.
Keep flying Andrew, and ignore the disparaging comments about buying something "better" than an R44.
Big Ls
He made the mistake of crashing near his neighbour.
Andrew Taylor has probably wound him up just by being successful, and with that as a starting point, things can get out of hand very quickly. If you watch the clip, note the complete absence of "thank goodness the pilot wasn't killed".
The taking-your-neighbours-up thing really does work, but not everyone is receptive to this approach.
Talking of approaches, with more flying experience and more power, there really shouldn't be any need to using that guy's bungalow roof as a VASI.
Keep flying Andrew, and ignore the disparaging comments about buying something "better" than an R44.
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I dont know him actually. I am just wary of the way the press portrays people. They have been known to make things up you know.
Anyway, damned unreasonable to call him a twit.
Anyway, damned unreasonable to call him a twit.
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I agree with Gaseous, don't malign the guy based on press articles. Welcome to the forum Andrew. By the way, I was going to buy the R22 that you had the unfortunate experience with, but the wait for its new -4 blades proved interminable so I bought another one instead. Sorry about your accident - there but for the grace of God go any of us.
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This seems very much a Lancashire thread so it's time a poofty southerner retires.
never mind andrew your still welcome at breighton welcome to pprune
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Hello to everyone whose posted comments.....good and bad!!!!
5.30pm SUN. I have just spent the last few minutes reading all the comments.
My situation is so hilarious it defies belief. If, (and my Lawyer says it is vitually IMPOSSIBLE for the Council to seriously consider) an ASBO was granted by a magistrate, the precedant set could have far reaching effects on anyone who flys privately from their own property..... and there a some pretty high profile members in the Helicopter Club of Great Britain who could be affected by it, including members of Government, Nobility, and Royalty..........
I am a guy, who, not born with a silver spoon up my ar**, started work at 16 in, belive it or not, a "bloody" pet shop.....!!!!!! Bought my first terrace house at 18, sold it, made a few quid, bought a few more, and the rest is history.
The basic problem is, that with privately owned helicopters the "rich bast**rd" green eyed monster syndrome" tends to come to the forefront more often than not.
I have nine ONLY flights recorded in the R44 check log (all deaprting after 10am and returning before 5.30pm) since 28th August to date (yes thats not a typing error, NINE!). I DO NOT overfly the neighbouring farm and cottages (at the oppoiste side of the lane), and, it is total open fields to my direct W, SW, NW........so, does that given everyone an idea about how much noise nuisance I am creating!. In a farming rural area, tractors ploughing the fields and milk waggons "day in and day out" make far far more noise than a chuf**** R44 ticking over at 70% warm up for 10 mins.
If I went into every detail about this obsessional issue that the the farm/neigbours opposite not created for themselves, I would end up typing so long that my fingers would be nummer than flying an R22Beta, with no friction applied, to Hong Kong and Back!!!! Hahahaha!
So, a "big hello", to everyone, even them that slagged me a tiny bit........ great reading all your comments.
Cheers! Andrew.
P.S - Anyone wanting to rent a R44, in the Huddersfield area...... give us a shout.... need to raise a few quid fairly quickly, the insurance premium is due in Jan! Hahaha!
My situation is so hilarious it defies belief. If, (and my Lawyer says it is vitually IMPOSSIBLE for the Council to seriously consider) an ASBO was granted by a magistrate, the precedant set could have far reaching effects on anyone who flys privately from their own property..... and there a some pretty high profile members in the Helicopter Club of Great Britain who could be affected by it, including members of Government, Nobility, and Royalty..........
I am a guy, who, not born with a silver spoon up my ar**, started work at 16 in, belive it or not, a "bloody" pet shop.....!!!!!! Bought my first terrace house at 18, sold it, made a few quid, bought a few more, and the rest is history.
The basic problem is, that with privately owned helicopters the "rich bast**rd" green eyed monster syndrome" tends to come to the forefront more often than not.
I have nine ONLY flights recorded in the R44 check log (all deaprting after 10am and returning before 5.30pm) since 28th August to date (yes thats not a typing error, NINE!). I DO NOT overfly the neighbouring farm and cottages (at the oppoiste side of the lane), and, it is total open fields to my direct W, SW, NW........so, does that given everyone an idea about how much noise nuisance I am creating!. In a farming rural area, tractors ploughing the fields and milk waggons "day in and day out" make far far more noise than a chuf**** R44 ticking over at 70% warm up for 10 mins.
If I went into every detail about this obsessional issue that the the farm/neigbours opposite not created for themselves, I would end up typing so long that my fingers would be nummer than flying an R22Beta, with no friction applied, to Hong Kong and Back!!!! Hahahaha!
So, a "big hello", to everyone, even them that slagged me a tiny bit........ great reading all your comments.
Cheers! Andrew.
P.S - Anyone wanting to rent a R44, in the Huddersfield area...... give us a shout.... need to raise a few quid fairly quickly, the insurance premium is due in Jan! Hahaha!