Yorkshire PPLH threatened with ASBO for helicopter noise nuisance
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So, a "big hello", to everyone, even them that slagged me a tiny bit........ great reading all your comments.
Good luck with your battle with the neighbours. Are you an AOPA member? They may be able to provide some assistance.
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Well said...
well said Andrew, I fly out of LBA and we still get complaints been an international airport???
What do they expect... So,as long as you follow Rule 5 you'll be ok
Fly safely
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Hi Andrew,
Of course the open land to your W, NW and SW is pretty unusable due to vast electric pylons very close to your pad which enclose it on 3 sides. A nightmare of a landing site IMHO considering the general westerly winds we have here. So you seem to have to go unacceptably close to your neighbours, who just want to be left in peace and safety.
As for low flying, can you explain why your helicopter overfles the village of Briestfield at 200ft on the way into your pad? It is half a mile from your pad, is a long thin village directly in line with the approach to your pad with lots of open farmland all around it. I feel it is that sort of thing which upsets the locals.
pvm
Of course the open land to your W, NW and SW is pretty unusable due to vast electric pylons very close to your pad which enclose it on 3 sides. A nightmare of a landing site IMHO considering the general westerly winds we have here. So you seem to have to go unacceptably close to your neighbours, who just want to be left in peace and safety.
As for low flying, can you explain why your helicopter overfles the village of Briestfield at 200ft on the way into your pad? It is half a mile from your pad, is a long thin village directly in line with the approach to your pad with lots of open farmland all around it. I feel it is that sort of thing which upsets the locals.
pvm
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This is a £1.7m house in a five-acre garden and we have a problem with a couple of people. If they are so concerned they can move and I will buy their little cottage."
Did you say that to the journalist or did he make it up?
Did you say how much your house is worth?
Did you say if your neighbours are so concerned they can move?
Did you say you'd buy their "little cottage"?
What's you being self made got to do with it?
Why do so many self made millionares feel the need to tell people they started from nothing even when nobody's asked them?
Good post Peter RB
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I posted much of this three years ago, but it still holds good.
You want to start flying a helicopter from your property? Think, plot and PLAN it.
I've moved house twice in recent years and had to do just that.
ONE: Move in first. Keep the machine away. Get known first as someone to be liked.
When you move into a community everyone gets a one line label that neighbours use initially when talking of you to someone else. Make sure yours is 'nice guy, runs a xxx company' or similar. DO'NT let it be 'He flies a helicopter'.
TWO: When you first move your machine in, fly a LITTLE. Avoid any pattern of the same time or day a week and avoid quiet Sunday mornings. A month or two will do.
THREE: Take as many different approach and departure routes as you can, wind permitting, and NEVER directly overfly anyone's house.
FOUR: Take the elders of the village flying. In my case and at the last village, taking one wonderful 80 year old lady (who had never flown in anything, ever), had everyone out in their gardens and right down the village street waving. Great helicopter PR and makes you look generous.
FIVE: Offer some use of your machine for free. For example, farmers like to see their fields, neighbours like to see their houses and everyone would like a free photo of their house. This last one happened to me last month and wasn't my idea. I was approached about flying a local amateur photographer, photos of houses in the village, prints available to everyone for a donation to the village hall fund. EVERYONE's happy.
FIVE: Communicate your PASSION for flying and dispel the image that it's only for arrogant flash guys with expensive toys.
SIX: For heaven's sake BE MODEST.
I don't plot this cynically and treat people like idiots. People are basically good and if they have fears about noisy machines they don't understand and think are potentially dangerous, it's your responsibility to reassure them. You get out of your relationships with neighbours precisely what you put in, so long as you set off on the right foot.
You want to start flying a helicopter from your property? Think, plot and PLAN it.
I've moved house twice in recent years and had to do just that.
ONE: Move in first. Keep the machine away. Get known first as someone to be liked.
When you move into a community everyone gets a one line label that neighbours use initially when talking of you to someone else. Make sure yours is 'nice guy, runs a xxx company' or similar. DO'NT let it be 'He flies a helicopter'.
TWO: When you first move your machine in, fly a LITTLE. Avoid any pattern of the same time or day a week and avoid quiet Sunday mornings. A month or two will do.
THREE: Take as many different approach and departure routes as you can, wind permitting, and NEVER directly overfly anyone's house.
FOUR: Take the elders of the village flying. In my case and at the last village, taking one wonderful 80 year old lady (who had never flown in anything, ever), had everyone out in their gardens and right down the village street waving. Great helicopter PR and makes you look generous.
FIVE: Offer some use of your machine for free. For example, farmers like to see their fields, neighbours like to see their houses and everyone would like a free photo of their house. This last one happened to me last month and wasn't my idea. I was approached about flying a local amateur photographer, photos of houses in the village, prints available to everyone for a donation to the village hall fund. EVERYONE's happy.
FIVE: Communicate your PASSION for flying and dispel the image that it's only for arrogant flash guys with expensive toys.
SIX: For heaven's sake BE MODEST.
I don't plot this cynically and treat people like idiots. People are basically good and if they have fears about noisy machines they don't understand and think are potentially dangerous, it's your responsibility to reassure them. You get out of your relationships with neighbours precisely what you put in, so long as you set off on the right foot.
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I was under the impression that aircraft are specifically excluded by law from action arising from noise?
And as long as he's flying safely in accordance with normal landing / take off procedures rule 5 doesn't apply does it?
(willing to be corrected)
And as long as he's flying safely in accordance with normal landing / take off procedures rule 5 doesn't apply does it?
(willing to be corrected)
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Great reading everyones comments again.......
Its great logging in again and reading everyones postings, although you are been a little but unfair "bronx" with your last comment..........
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Regards and thanks to everyone who has taken the time to comment, help, offer advice and support
Andrew.
.Regards and thanks to everyone who has taken the time to comment, help, offer advice and support
Andrew.
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Originally Posted by B47
FIVE: Communicate your PASSION for flying and dispel the image that it's only for arrogant flash guys with expensive toys.
SIX: For heaven's sake BE MODEST.
SIX: For heaven's sake BE MODEST.
Originally Posted by Bronx
Trouble is some self made millionaires dont understand FIVE and are incapable of SIX.
Andrew, no need to take it personally but Bronx has a point; certainly with many self-made, nouveau-riche, boy-made-good types I've met!!!!
One could names names but that could be construed as libellous and Senior Pilot's busy enough on another thread Cheers
Whirls
eltonioni:
I've no idea about any specific legislation which excludes aircraft noise from regulation.
Even if something is or is not regulated, it still has the capacity to piss people off and responsible pilots have a duty to their own community to reduce the impact of their activities as far as possible while remaining safe.
I've no idea about any specific legislation which excludes aircraft noise from regulation.
Even if something is or is not regulated, it still has the capacity to piss people off and responsible pilots have a duty to their own community to reduce the impact of their activities as far as possible while remaining safe.
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I agree entirely.
However there are many people whose capacity to become pissed off far exceeds that of most reasonable people. We don't know the ins and outs of neighbourly relations in darkest Dewsbury. We once had a silly noise complainer lie down on our runway... she picked the wrong one though
However there are many people whose capacity to become pissed off far exceeds that of most reasonable people. We don't know the ins and outs of neighbourly relations in darkest Dewsbury. We once had a silly noise complainer lie down on our runway... she picked the wrong one though
Bronx and whirls, the self made millionaire is normally stated imho as a result of the millionaires around that carry on like spoilt brats who are not "self made". I know a number of guys who have inherited money, companies, that their parents worked really hard to build up and are complete ar****les. I know I generalise here but as mentioned in my previous posts, people are jealous and wish it was them. If you start from a humble background, re-mortgage the house, take out a loan that you'll struggle to pay if things don't go according to plan(which they never do) and work every hour god sends and after a few falls and umpteen bad predicitions manage to start to make some money and then a bit more and so on, I think you'll find that these people are much more modest and humble than the others mentioned. People do tend to categorise everyone with money the same and thats why I expect many people in this situation explain that they are "self made", in other words they have taken the risks that the others simply wouldn't consider.
I recall an ex employee making comment about the last house I purchased and how well the company must be doing and why was he not getting a larger than 5% pay rise. I offered to sell him some shares, showing him that the dividend would pay for them in 3 years....he didn't take me up and thats why he is or was where he was and why others succeed. Nothing wrong with not taking risks but don't sit there and moan at people who have done well because they have the b*lls to do it.
Andrew I don't know you and perhaps you should try and answer Bronx's other questions. I hope everything works out well and if there have been some "mistakes" on your part then try and put them right.
I recall an ex employee making comment about the last house I purchased and how well the company must be doing and why was he not getting a larger than 5% pay rise. I offered to sell him some shares, showing him that the dividend would pay for them in 3 years....he didn't take me up and thats why he is or was where he was and why others succeed. Nothing wrong with not taking risks but don't sit there and moan at people who have done well because they have the b*lls to do it.
Andrew I don't know you and perhaps you should try and answer Bronx's other questions. I hope everything works out well and if there have been some "mistakes" on your part then try and put them right.
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BVGS
i have met andrew
the opposite is true with andrew or maybe thats how people see me too or
even b47 [dont know if you started with nothing ]
i have met andrew
the self made millionaire is normally stated imho as a result of the millionaires around that carry on like spoilt brats who are not "self made". I know a number of guys who have inherited money, companies, that their parents worked really hard to build up and are complete ar****les. I know
even b47 [dont know if you started with nothing ]
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Just out of interest
Hello Andrew, I don't know much about the story, and haven't read anymore than is on pprune at the moment.
However, just out of curiosity, if you don't overfly any of the farms and cottages, how did the R22 end up so close to a neighbours house?
Secondly, what difference should it make that "there a some pretty high profile members in the Helicopter Club of Great Britain who could be affected by it, including members of Government, Nobility, and Royalty.........." in regards to whether an ASBO will be imposed or not?
Thanks for coming on the site and putting your point of view across.
Andy
However, just out of curiosity, if you don't overfly any of the farms and cottages, how did the R22 end up so close to a neighbours house?
Secondly, what difference should it make that "there a some pretty high profile members in the Helicopter Club of Great Britain who could be affected by it, including members of Government, Nobility, and Royalty.........." in regards to whether an ASBO will be imposed or not?
Thanks for coming on the site and putting your point of view across.
Andy
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bvgs, I was thinking more in line of those who regularly feature on "Hello" magazine .
Cheers
Whirls
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Whirls