r22 rollover
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Lu, what on earth does that incident have to do with the doors being off? The doors aren't even mentioned. The guy didn't pay attention and hooked a skid and rolled over.
BTW: there are 4 R22's in Buttonville (just outside Toronto). A short train ride away. Also several in Bolton and an R44 at Toronto Island.
The R22's in Buttonville fly 3000 hours a year in total and have never experienced a mast-bumping / low-G / rotor incursion accident.
BTW: there are 4 R22's in Buttonville (just outside Toronto). A short train ride away. Also several in Bolton and an R44 at Toronto Island.
The R22's in Buttonville fly 3000 hours a year in total and have never experienced a mast-bumping / low-G / rotor incursion accident.
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To: Helo Teacher
Do you think he would have to make an off field landing to retreive his head phones if they had't come off his head. If the doors were on. the head phones would not have come off and if they did, they would either fall in his lap or, on the floor of the helicopter. If he had worn a helmet the accident would never have happened.
Regarding finding an R22 to check out I may be able to do that when I go out on a consulting contract early next year.
The fact that he had to get his head phones back placed him in that field. By being in that field he hooked a skid on a vine and resulted in a dynamic rollover.
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The Cat
Do you think he would have to make an off field landing to retreive his head phones if they had't come off his head. If the doors were on. the head phones would not have come off and if they did, they would either fall in his lap or, on the floor of the helicopter. If he had worn a helmet the accident would never have happened.
Regarding finding an R22 to check out I may be able to do that when I go out on a consulting contract early next year.
The fact that he had to get his head phones back placed him in that field. By being in that field he hooked a skid on a vine and resulted in a dynamic rollover.
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The Cat
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No Lu, that's totally illogical. I'm surprised at you.
It's unusual for headsets to fall off anyway, in my (albeit limited) experience. And I've flown in an open cockpit gyroplane in a strong wind where I felt as though my head might blow off, but my head set was fine.
But, if your head phones did come off, doors off or not, wherever they landed, I don't think you could put them on one-handed, so you'd have to land to do so. So, you land in a field. Which is what helicopters do all the time and do very well and why lots of us prefer them to flying fixed wing aircraft.
And then the guy got careless or had bad luck - however you prefer to look at it - and got the skid caught in a vine during take off. Has nothing to do with the doors or the headset.
If he hadn't taken off that day it wouldn't have happened; if he hadn't learned to fly helicopters in the first place it wouldn't have happened, if.... I think you get my drift.
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Whirly
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It's unusual for headsets to fall off anyway, in my (albeit limited) experience. And I've flown in an open cockpit gyroplane in a strong wind where I felt as though my head might blow off, but my head set was fine.
But, if your head phones did come off, doors off or not, wherever they landed, I don't think you could put them on one-handed, so you'd have to land to do so. So, you land in a field. Which is what helicopters do all the time and do very well and why lots of us prefer them to flying fixed wing aircraft.
And then the guy got careless or had bad luck - however you prefer to look at it - and got the skid caught in a vine during take off. Has nothing to do with the doors or the headset.
If he hadn't taken off that day it wouldn't have happened; if he hadn't learned to fly helicopters in the first place it wouldn't have happened, if.... I think you get my drift.
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Whirly
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RW - 1,
Been puzzling over the last part of your message (confined areas)and I wonder if you are referring to an item on my site?
Anyway,yes, I reckon the guy was shocked and the sight of all that machinery coming to his rescue, well, it would make anyone cringe. Only a step away from saying
.."It's all a fuss....."
I doubt it I'd a have said that though,I would probably still be saying what would
spring from my lips first off...
"Any quote for us Sir ?"
"Shhhh............!!"
Been puzzling over the last part of your message (confined areas)and I wonder if you are referring to an item on my site?
Anyway,yes, I reckon the guy was shocked and the sight of all that machinery coming to his rescue, well, it would make anyone cringe. Only a step away from saying
.."It's all a fuss....."
I doubt it I'd a have said that though,I would probably still be saying what would
spring from my lips first off...
"Any quote for us Sir ?"
"Shhhh............!!"
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To: Whirybird
In the first place I was responding to RW1 that stated that he likes to fly with the doors off. I flew from Miami to New York in a Bell with the doors off. When we flew over the orange groves in Florida it was fantastic as the trees were in bloom and all you could smell were orange blossoms. Since RW1 is living in Florida I can understand why he likes to fly with the doors off.
The second point was from a philosophy I learned when I was in Iran for three years with Bell Helicopter. If an American or any other Farengi were involved in an automobile accident it was always his fault as they reasoned that the accident would not have happened if the offender had not been in Iran.
I also wondered if RW1 knew the individual as the accident happened in Florida.
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The Cat
In the first place I was responding to RW1 that stated that he likes to fly with the doors off. I flew from Miami to New York in a Bell with the doors off. When we flew over the orange groves in Florida it was fantastic as the trees were in bloom and all you could smell were orange blossoms. Since RW1 is living in Florida I can understand why he likes to fly with the doors off.
The second point was from a philosophy I learned when I was in Iran for three years with Bell Helicopter. If an American or any other Farengi were involved in an automobile accident it was always his fault as they reasoned that the accident would not have happened if the offender had not been in Iran.
I also wondered if RW1 knew the individual as the accident happened in Florida.
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The Cat
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Lu,
Er....I'm confused
You stated: "Do you think he would have to make an off field landing to retreive his head phones if they had't come off his head. If the doors were on. the head phones would not have come off and if they did, they would either fall in his lap or, on the floor of the helicopter. If he had worn a helmet the accident would never have happened"
so..er..what exactly are you now trying to say?
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Whirly
To fly is human, to hover, divine.
Er....I'm confused
You stated: "Do you think he would have to make an off field landing to retreive his head phones if they had't come off his head. If the doors were on. the head phones would not have come off and if they did, they would either fall in his lap or, on the floor of the helicopter. If he had worn a helmet the accident would never have happened"
so..er..what exactly are you now trying to say?
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Whirly
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To: Whirlybird
My only point was that it was a chain of events that began with the pilots headphones falling not only off of his head but out of the helicopter. That was the first link. The last link was between the skid and the vine. If the doors were on, the headphones would not have fallen out of the helicopter. No first link, no last link.
That what I meant.
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The Cat
My only point was that it was a chain of events that began with the pilots headphones falling not only off of his head but out of the helicopter. That was the first link. The last link was between the skid and the vine. If the doors were on, the headphones would not have fallen out of the helicopter. No first link, no last link.
That what I meant.
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The Cat
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Sps,
No, haven't been to your site, just referring to the thrill of dropping into a confined area, where no planker can go (unless it's on the way to a mishap
)
What's the address?
LU:
Nope, don't know him, but sorry, I don't see the door being off as the issue.
Sure, if the headset came off and went out the door causing dmamage, then it would be. I say he should be commended for setting down to address the issue, though he could have had the pax place the headset back on, then he could have adjusted it. Would depend on if he had dual controls installed, and whether he would give them to the pax while he adjusted theheadset, so all in all setting down was not a dumb idea.
How do you know what made his headphones come off in the first place? The doors being off had nothing to do with that my friend.
Yes, you can go through the "mishap chain" here, but so far, up to the takeoff, our pilot in question reacted quite well to the circumstances.
The chain actually begins with the headset, but that chain ended when he set down to replace it. We also don't know if it went out, of the heli, I kinda doubt it, don't know if it would or would not have pulled the plug out of the roof (it's angled enough, I would think it could, but I'm not about to be throwing my headset off to find out, plus my headset is an old mil one, short cord, sometimes if I lean out to look to the rear I'll reach my cords limit, then I feel like a horse being reined in hehe ..)
The mishap (dyn rollover itself) chain began on our pilots takeoff. If we wait the obglatory year or so for the final, you would see this as the primary cause, and a secondary cause would be the headset, (maybe listed, maybe not).
I would be more inclined to list the headset as a primary contributing cause if he attempted to retreive it / put it on in flight and then in that process put it in. But directly one didn't cause the other, as it was his failure to clear his area/skids, etc.
I like the doors off for three reasons (can't smell the blossoms, maybe i should fly lower ):
1. It's less claustrophobic in terms of my arm room when flying dual.
2. Heat! In south florida during summer, cabin air is nice, but open door is much much better. My 3 leg solo X-C I had to take the doors (first time) as I was stopping at one airport to have lunch, had to be able to lock it. Hot, but bearable.
Thursday I flew with doors, as it happened to be cooler than normal.
3. It's just so much "Cooler", the chick effect
While in Saudi, I'm familiar with American/European pilots who flew for Gulf Air, and know what Lu's saying there:
"It's the Infedel's fault!" Step lightly.
We loved the look on their faces when they (arab's) would visit the det, and ask to see the OIC, "Sure! ... She's standing right over there" hehehe ....
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Marc
No, haven't been to your site, just referring to the thrill of dropping into a confined area, where no planker can go (unless it's on the way to a mishap
)What's the address?
LU:
Nope, don't know him, but sorry, I don't see the door being off as the issue.
Sure, if the headset came off and went out the door causing dmamage, then it would be. I say he should be commended for setting down to address the issue, though he could have had the pax place the headset back on, then he could have adjusted it. Would depend on if he had dual controls installed, and whether he would give them to the pax while he adjusted theheadset, so all in all setting down was not a dumb idea.
How do you know what made his headphones come off in the first place? The doors being off had nothing to do with that my friend.
Yes, you can go through the "mishap chain" here, but so far, up to the takeoff, our pilot in question reacted quite well to the circumstances.
The chain actually begins with the headset, but that chain ended when he set down to replace it. We also don't know if it went out, of the heli, I kinda doubt it, don't know if it would or would not have pulled the plug out of the roof (it's angled enough, I would think it could, but I'm not about to be throwing my headset off to find out, plus my headset is an old mil one, short cord, sometimes if I lean out to look to the rear I'll reach my cords limit, then I feel like a horse being reined in hehe ..)
The mishap (dyn rollover itself) chain began on our pilots takeoff. If we wait the obglatory year or so for the final, you would see this as the primary cause, and a secondary cause would be the headset, (maybe listed, maybe not).
I would be more inclined to list the headset as a primary contributing cause if he attempted to retreive it / put it on in flight and then in that process put it in. But directly one didn't cause the other, as it was his failure to clear his area/skids, etc.
I like the doors off for three reasons (can't smell the blossoms, maybe i should fly lower
):1. It's less claustrophobic in terms of my arm room when flying dual.
2. Heat! In south florida during summer, cabin air is nice, but open door is much much better. My 3 leg solo X-C I had to take the doors (first time) as I was stopping at one airport to have lunch, had to be able to lock it. Hot, but bearable.
Thursday I flew with doors, as it happened to be cooler than normal.
3. It's just so much "Cooler", the chick effect
While in Saudi, I'm familiar with American/European pilots who flew for Gulf Air, and know what Lu's saying there:
"It's the Infedel's fault!" Step lightly.
We loved the look on their faces when they (arab's) would visit the det, and ask to see the OIC, "Sure! ... She's standing right over there" hehehe ....
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Marc
