BRISTOW/SCOTIA MANAGEMENT ARE U LISTENING????
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BRISTOW/SCOTIA MANAGEMENT ARE U LISTENING????
Having attended the BALPA Conference for Fix wing employment, yesterday.
I would like to inform you there were over twelve pilots from both sides of the field who had spent the cash and time to attended the above. All had a fix wing licence.
I hope this short note will enlighten you (the Managers)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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More importantly are the oil companies listening ?? They pay the wages,we(the helicopter companies)are tied into contracts for 5 years based on prices around $10-$15 a barrel .Now the price is $35+!!
If they want to keep us then pay!!
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If they want to keep us then pay!!
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Both companies are well aware of that but as there hasn't been much movement towards the fixed wing world they won't do anything.
I know pilots who have had their ATPL(A) for over 2 years who haven't gone for it.
Things will only change if there is a large departure of pilots - if there's only a dripple they'll cope easily.
I know pilots who have had their ATPL(A) for over 2 years who haven't gone for it.
Things will only change if there is a large departure of pilots - if there's only a dripple they'll cope easily.
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I believe Scotia have interviewed six or more pilots during the last week. Not many, but at least it's a start. A lot more are required if they are going to reduce the present high workload.
What's the problem with getting fixed wing jobs? Lots of people are talking about going but none are leaving. Most of those who took redundancy from Scotia, hoping to get fixed wing jobs, are currently flying police or air ambulance helicopters as they couldn't get any other employment.
What's the problem with getting fixed wing jobs? Lots of people are talking about going but none are leaving. Most of those who took redundancy from Scotia, hoping to get fixed wing jobs, are currently flying police or air ambulance helicopters as they couldn't get any other employment.
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I like you hope that the guys with fix wing licences will go and the oil/helicopter companies will see sense, however unfortunately until we withdraw our co-operation ie (overtime,FTL, busting etc) and start using the law to our advantage,the new pilots will just stop gap a problem that we as pilots are covering up .
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Its worse than it looks. Those that left in the last round were mostly all wanting to be airline pilots all along. This time however, those holding fixed wing licences are what were the future of the industry, and were in till retirement. Unfortunately having watched their pay and conditions continualy eroded, and redundancies made from the top, many have decided that they cannot trust their families futures to the industry. Many are reluctantly leaving a job they enjoy for security, a decent pension, and hopefuly salaries that will keep pace with inflation in the fixed wing world. I doubt anyone is too worried though as you can allways train more young guys who are cheap and happy for a few years. Pity it could be a great job if only people were treated decently
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I agree with changewing. The next 5 years or so are going to be critical for one (both?)of the companies mentioned as the combination of normal retirements gathers pace and more fixed wing vacancies attract pilots away. There are a number of pilots in their early thirties who have served 10-15 years and have 5-8000 hours,enjoy the job and have no desire to leave. However, the perceived lack of a future means they are going to leave. They are the future of the company and cannot be replaced overnight. An ab initio recruit taken on now will take at least 6 years to reach command and will still have a fraction of the experience of many of those who will leave soon.
I think we are entering a decisive period which requires careful planning. Unfortunately, an experince loss in 4 years does not show on this years balance sheet. (Training costs do though!).
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I think we are entering a decisive period which requires careful planning. Unfortunately, an experince loss in 4 years does not show on this years balance sheet. (Training costs do though!).
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Panic has started on the other side.
Rumour at the moment, says that Scotia have brought back an ex-Bond pilot on a three day week. Paying them a daily rate and their travel expense from London!!
This may help in the short-term, but the long-term??????
Rumour at the moment, says that Scotia have brought back an ex-Bond pilot on a three day week. Paying them a daily rate and their travel expense from London!!
This may help in the short-term, but the long-term??????
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I agree with changewing. The turning point of the North sea for those who were going to stay has to be the Shell contract changing hands and Bristows sacking all those over 50, just what message was that they were sending to the rest of the work force?
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Its gets worse, you forget the introduction of cheap and nasty pension shemes, and a total lack of investement in any new equipment for around 10 years I would guess.
Tis a real pity as given some assurances about the future, I am sure that many looking to leave would only be too happy to stay !
Tis a real pity as given some assurances about the future, I am sure that many looking to leave would only be too happy to stay !
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I note from above, all the talk about people moving to fixed wing. Yes this may give higher pay but not a more stable lifestyle, people are leaving because quality of life in Aberdeen is on the downward spiral. Not only leaving to fixed wing, has anyone done the stats on those voluntarily going?
It also sounds like you are all waiting for those leaving to send a message to the managers, have any well planned generally accepted suggestions come from the shopfloor?
Ultimately we are slaves to the oil companies if they get a bad service maybe they will realise that rates must go up. As long as we muddle by and stay quiet about our concerns they will remain happy with paying minimal prices. The industry is now meant to be in a boom period for another 2-3 yrs. Can the current equipment last that long, safely? In any event investment needs to be made sometime.
More people and better conditions and new equipment sounds, like an expensive business. Any suggestions?
It also sounds like you are all waiting for those leaving to send a message to the managers, have any well planned generally accepted suggestions come from the shopfloor?
Ultimately we are slaves to the oil companies if they get a bad service maybe they will realise that rates must go up. As long as we muddle by and stay quiet about our concerns they will remain happy with paying minimal prices. The industry is now meant to be in a boom period for another 2-3 yrs. Can the current equipment last that long, safely? In any event investment needs to be made sometime.
More people and better conditions and new equipment sounds, like an expensive business. Any suggestions?
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Countdown won't be supported because 1) Bristow/Scotia pilots in general like to see themselves as a bunch of intrepid aviators, at the cutting edge of the flight envelope. When, in fact, the truth is Mr SFIM flies 98% of the time.
2)The "old timers" actually like £45,000++ for a non-thinking job.
3) In general North Sea pilots have are the loudest whingers but will do very little together to further their aims and bleating in the crewroom (or on these forums) has never got anybody a increase in salary or conditions.
If life sucks so bad go and get a real job.
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2)The "old timers" actually like £45,000++ for a non-thinking job.
3) In general North Sea pilots have are the loudest whingers but will do very little together to further their aims and bleating in the crewroom (or on these forums) has never got anybody a increase in salary or conditions.
If life sucks so bad go and get a real job.
4R
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Unfortunately 4R Vibes is right, nothing will get better in the short term because
1) Too many old timers on a relatively good deal dont want to risk not being allowed to stay on
2) Everyone talks about working together for a better deal, but at the end of the day they are also happy when their company wins the next contract even if it does it at a ludicrous rate, because the other option is to lose your job, or start again with another operator
1) Too many old timers on a relatively good deal dont want to risk not being allowed to stay on
2) Everyone talks about working together for a better deal, but at the end of the day they are also happy when their company wins the next contract even if it does it at a ludicrous rate, because the other option is to lose your job, or start again with another operator
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Hi
I'm curious what are the vacancy requirements to fly for any of the companies you have mentioned here? I currently have 1500 hours all on turbine of which 1000 of these are captain. I still have a few years i.e six, left in the job so any info possible would be greatly received.
I'm curious what are the vacancy requirements to fly for any of the companies you have mentioned here? I currently have 1500 hours all on turbine of which 1000 of these are captain. I still have a few years i.e six, left in the job so any info possible would be greatly received.
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I would like to see some communication here. If the management read this, please tell us your plans for our future. We are all in this together. As I see it low rates are our problem, who's fault? Well that does not matter right now. Lets find a way out, lets talk properly and do something constructive. Ah, if only life were this simple!
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Gentlemen;
You have to ask yourselves a basic question. Do I want to be home every night or do I want to make money. These two basic principles do not always go hand in hand.
To earn a higher income usually requires some sort of sacrifice on ones part. I've been reading, with interest, your comments on this and that and have come to the conclusion that you either work under impossible conditions or you just want more for less.
If the WX and working conditions are so bad in the North Sea, then why not come to Halifax, Burma or the Philippines. I'm sure the PARENT COMPANY would welcome you with open arms and pay you exactly what your worth.
Cheers, OffshoreIgor
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You have to ask yourselves a basic question. Do I want to be home every night or do I want to make money. These two basic principles do not always go hand in hand.
To earn a higher income usually requires some sort of sacrifice on ones part. I've been reading, with interest, your comments on this and that and have come to the conclusion that you either work under impossible conditions or you just want more for less.
If the WX and working conditions are so bad in the North Sea, then why not come to Halifax, Burma or the Philippines. I'm sure the PARENT COMPANY would welcome you with open arms and pay you exactly what your worth.
Cheers, OffshoreIgor
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OffshoreIGOR I suggest you go conclude some more and before you make comments like the above look at not only the cost of living in this country but the fact that many of us who have been on the north sea for some years have not received a pay rise(for 6yrs)until recently.
I believe the cost of living where you live is alot less, and finally why dont you come and work here and find out for yourself.I BELIEVE THE PARENT COMPANY IS RECRUITING.
I believe the cost of living where you live is alot less, and finally why dont you come and work here and find out for yourself.I BELIEVE THE PARENT COMPANY IS RECRUITING.