Gazelle: Flying, operating, buying
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Another potential training option in the South East
You might at a stretch be able to train on a Gazelle through E.B.G helis at Redhill.
I am training on an EC120 with them, which is slower but still very lovely in its glass cockpit sort of way.
I am training on an EC120 with them, which is slower but still very lovely in its glass cockpit sort of way.
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unless something has changed in the last few days MW Helis at stapleford don't have one for training for a few weeks. 1 in for engine TBO and one lent to a customer while his in in for a major. HJS helis have one for training but are up in Scotland.
Best of luck...
Best of luck...
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it depends on where the helicopter is registered and their rules also wether it is permit/experimental or full c of a
afaik on the n reg all turbines when used for private use all are on condition , so as long as it works properley at its annual its ok to go
some countrys use the hours as set down by turbomecca then ignore the calenders some introduce different checks
afiak in most places for certificated helicopters i thought it was ok for 15 years as long as their has been a C2 check on the engine
ex uk mil gazelles have different rules but they are the same as uk military rules
afaik on the n reg all turbines when used for private use all are on condition , so as long as it works properley at its annual its ok to go
some countrys use the hours as set down by turbomecca then ignore the calenders some introduce different checks
afiak in most places for certificated helicopters i thought it was ok for 15 years as long as their has been a C2 check on the engine
ex uk mil gazelles have different rules but they are the same as uk military rules
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Help
I am seriously looking to import a 341G and need help on 2 questions
1. There suddenly seems to be some movement in the sales market with G-ZLLE and G-EROL going under offer and a bunch of others being withdrawn from sale. For a long time these AC all seemed stuck at GBP 325-350K. Has there been movement on price and does anyone have any details?
2. It seems very hard to get any reliable info about running costs even as a ball park. usually it is the old "the are no more expensive than an AS50" routine, but it would be good to hear from someone with real experience.
All help from the experts greatly received.
1. There suddenly seems to be some movement in the sales market with G-ZLLE and G-EROL going under offer and a bunch of others being withdrawn from sale. For a long time these AC all seemed stuck at GBP 325-350K. Has there been movement on price and does anyone have any details?
2. It seems very hard to get any reliable info about running costs even as a ball park. usually it is the old "the are no more expensive than an AS50" routine, but it would be good to hear from someone with real experience.
All help from the experts greatly received.
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are you wanting to import to hong kong or uk or ?
there are a few gazelles for sale in the uk depends what you are looking for
send pm if you want to talk i will send my contact details
there are a few gazelles for sale in the uk depends what you are looking for
send pm if you want to talk i will send my contact details
GeneralSpecific. They would need to be half the running costs of 350 to be honest as they are not half the machine . They are fine for the Mil and for playing around in , but for anything commercial not a patch on the 350 . No pax will thank you for putting them in the back , even the stretched ones are uncomfortable and v v noisy . They are, when all is said and done , very old and antisocial machines . ( great for the pilot only !!)
Are you saying it has "sold " for that ...or that is the asking price ??? On average i would say achieved price is at least 10-20% below asking . Look at the prices being asked for AS350 B2,s around the world ....none of them are selling within 20% of the asking price .....the fact is that most helis are just not selling at all at the moment and i can only see it getting worse in the coming year or two . ( 500,s and L3/4 LongRangers are the only possible exeption )
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Hungarian registered Gazelle over Cumbria (UK) on 21st July 2010
I've noticed there are a number of East European registered Gazelles in the UK. Are these the private aircraft of East European immigrants or is there some other reason?
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In addition to YBB's question about East European registed Gazelles in the UK is ther an ex-Army jock who can tell me what an ISTAR Gazelle is?
SA341B (ZB667) 'ISTAR Gazelle AH1' Salisbury Plain training area 8 July 2010 during exercise 'Pashtun Eagle'.
EoR
SA341B (ZB667) 'ISTAR Gazelle AH1' Salisbury Plain training area 8 July 2010 during exercise 'Pashtun Eagle'.
EoR
There are no limits
Wikipedia - ISTAR
Its just a fairly advanced FLIR type system strapped on the side, often enhanced by something on the opposite side which is missing in this installation..............
The rash of Hungarian Gazelles may have been imported from Former Yugoslavia, may be on a permit or it may have been an attempt to circumvent the UK registration because ex-mil Gazelles here are on a permit, or......
But its a rumour network, right?
Its just a fairly advanced FLIR type system strapped on the side, often enhanced by something on the opposite side which is missing in this installation..............
The rash of Hungarian Gazelles may have been imported from Former Yugoslavia, may be on a permit or it may have been an attempt to circumvent the UK registration because ex-mil Gazelles here are on a permit, or......
But its a rumour network, right?
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Changes To Permit To Fly
CAA announces changes to the regulation of ex-military aircraft
August 13, 2010
The UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has today announced changes to the regulation of permit to fly ex-military aircraft.
Following a number of incidents and accidents involving ex-military aircraft over recent years, the CAA is taking steps to clarify the purposes for which ex-military aircraft can be operated.
The CAA is therefore acting to remind the owner/operators of ex-military aircraft that their permits to fly do not permit the carriage of passengers in return for any type of payment.
The CAA’s guidance document CAP 632 ‘Operation of Permit to Fly Ex-military Aircraft on the UK Register’ will be updated to require operators to brief passengers on the nature of ex-military permit to fly aircraft operations before flight. Also, it is proposed that the owner/operators of ex-military aircraft with more than one seat will be required to install a new, more easily understood warning placard in their aircraft, worded as follows:
OCCUPANT WARNING
THIS AIRCRAFT HAS NOT BEEN SHOWN TO COMPLY WITH CIVIL SAFETY STANDARDS FOR COMMERCIAL PASSENGER FLIGHTS. IT IS ILLEGAL TO CARRY PASSENGERS IN THIS AIRCRAFT IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY, GOODS OR SERVICES
The CAA proposes to change the Air Navigation Order 2009 to include this revised placard.
In addition, the CAA has concluded that there is some ambiguity as to the maximum number of occupants permitted to be carried in some ex-military aircraft with more than two seats. The policy has therefore been clarified such that the maximum number of occupants permitted to be carried in the aircraft is now limited to four or the number of seats fitted to the aircraft whilst in military service, whichever is the more restrictive.
In particular, for helicopters, previously only crew members essential for the operation of the aircraft could be carried (including two additional ground crew if required for maintenance away from base). This change will end the practice, in certain cases, of declaring passengers as ground crew.
The changes affect all ex-military aircraft with more than one seat operating under a permit to fly. All owner/operators of ex-military aircraft with more than one seat fitted will be issued with a new permit to fly, with limitations and conditions reflecting the change in policy, together with an associated certificate of validity for the aircraft.
Although permit to fly aircraft are not permitted to undertake commercial air transport or aerial work, they may carry passengers where no payment is made. Each permit to fly is issued by the CAA with associated conditions, including the maximum number of occupants authorised to be carried. In order for carriage of fee-paying passengers to be allowed under the ANO, the aircraft would need to have met all the relevant safety standards and hold a Certificate of Airworthiness.
Source: UK Civil Aviation Authority
August 13, 2010
The UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has today announced changes to the regulation of permit to fly ex-military aircraft.
Following a number of incidents and accidents involving ex-military aircraft over recent years, the CAA is taking steps to clarify the purposes for which ex-military aircraft can be operated.
The CAA is therefore acting to remind the owner/operators of ex-military aircraft that their permits to fly do not permit the carriage of passengers in return for any type of payment.
The CAA’s guidance document CAP 632 ‘Operation of Permit to Fly Ex-military Aircraft on the UK Register’ will be updated to require operators to brief passengers on the nature of ex-military permit to fly aircraft operations before flight. Also, it is proposed that the owner/operators of ex-military aircraft with more than one seat will be required to install a new, more easily understood warning placard in their aircraft, worded as follows:
OCCUPANT WARNING
THIS AIRCRAFT HAS NOT BEEN SHOWN TO COMPLY WITH CIVIL SAFETY STANDARDS FOR COMMERCIAL PASSENGER FLIGHTS. IT IS ILLEGAL TO CARRY PASSENGERS IN THIS AIRCRAFT IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY, GOODS OR SERVICES
The CAA proposes to change the Air Navigation Order 2009 to include this revised placard.
In addition, the CAA has concluded that there is some ambiguity as to the maximum number of occupants permitted to be carried in some ex-military aircraft with more than two seats. The policy has therefore been clarified such that the maximum number of occupants permitted to be carried in the aircraft is now limited to four or the number of seats fitted to the aircraft whilst in military service, whichever is the more restrictive.
In particular, for helicopters, previously only crew members essential for the operation of the aircraft could be carried (including two additional ground crew if required for maintenance away from base). This change will end the practice, in certain cases, of declaring passengers as ground crew.
The changes affect all ex-military aircraft with more than one seat operating under a permit to fly. All owner/operators of ex-military aircraft with more than one seat fitted will be issued with a new permit to fly, with limitations and conditions reflecting the change in policy, together with an associated certificate of validity for the aircraft.
Although permit to fly aircraft are not permitted to undertake commercial air transport or aerial work, they may carry passengers where no payment is made. Each permit to fly is issued by the CAA with associated conditions, including the maximum number of occupants authorised to be carried. In order for carriage of fee-paying passengers to be allowed under the ANO, the aircraft would need to have met all the relevant safety standards and hold a Certificate of Airworthiness.
Source: UK Civil Aviation Authority
They are basically 'reminding' everyone that PTF aircraft cannot be used for PT and insisting on placards advertising this already well known limitation.
The most significant change is that they have conceded to the carrying of non-fare-paying pax .. finally .. but with a ceiling of 3 pax max!
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that is 3 pax plus pilot in case any one does not read it correct fantastic news
and many thanks to Steve Payne Roberts [engineer from the midlands ] for applying to the caa to get the passenger restriction removed i think all ex mil gazelle owners owe him a pint or two
and many thanks to Steve Payne Roberts [engineer from the midlands ] for applying to the caa to get the passenger restriction removed i think all ex mil gazelle owners owe him a pint or two