Gazelle: Flying, operating, buying
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I flew in BATUS and Wainwright in the 80's and we took our own machines to Wainwright and left them there for the next detachment. The Batus Gazelles were not fitted with SAS. You probably took over the machines in Wainwright from the marines who did have SAS.
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Here's something to keep an eye on. CAA have just registered the first ever SA342J on the G register - see G-TOPZ. This aircraft has been flowed and maintained in the UK some years on the French register. Is a 342J sufficiently close to a 341G to get a full CofA?
Having discussed the pros and cons of engine certification on this thread, this one has an Astazou XIV H engine. Is that OK for a CofA in the UK, or can grandparent rights be claimed from French certification now?
MD600Driver - I think your latest one has an XIV H engine too? Perhaps you can shed some light here?
Having discussed the pros and cons of engine certification on this thread, this one has an Astazou XIV H engine. Is that OK for a CofA in the UK, or can grandparent rights be claimed from French certification now?
MD600Driver - I think your latest one has an XIV H engine too? Perhaps you can shed some light here?
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yes both of them have the XIV H
the 342j is the hot and high one more power and the uprated tail rotor blades like the uk military it was made for civil use like the 341g but there was not many made there are a few on the yugo register too
steve
yes both of them have the XIV H
the 342j is the hot and high one more power and the uprated tail rotor blades like the uk military it was made for civil use like the 341g but there was not many made there are a few on the yugo register too
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SA341 Gazelle - private ownership/flying
Hi guys, I thought I had seen a similar thread to this sometime back, but can't now find it. Basically I'm wondering how the Gazelle is rated for private ownership alongside other 5 seat turbine singles?
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Bear in mind they havent been made for some time so spares will dry up. The Turbomeca engine costs a fortune to overhaul as do the transmissions. They are very uncomfortable in the back - your knees will be pressed up against the seat infront, so much so you have to sit like an old tart if you are taller than 5 ft 8 !!!
They will cruise about 125 kts at ips drinking about 40 imp gallons an hour. In UK permit to fly ones ( ex mil ) are a good buy providing you dont want to take any pax, fly at night or outside UK airspace - so perhaps not such a good buy !
Bear in mind they havent been made for some time so spares will dry up. The Turbomeca engine costs a fortune to overhaul as do the transmissions. They are very uncomfortable in the back - your knees will be pressed up against the seat infront, so much so you have to sit like an old tart if you are taller than 5 ft 8 !!!
They will cruise about 125 kts at ips drinking about 40 imp gallons an hour. In UK permit to fly ones ( ex mil ) are a good buy providing you dont want to take any pax, fly at night or outside UK airspace - so perhaps not such a good buy !
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sorry andrew dont agree
i think the gazelle is a good buy there are lots of parts avaiable if you look around, all all parts are still available new. yes the engine is expensive to maintain but as it very rarely goes wrong or need case halfs ect it could work out cheaper but i dont want to get into an allison argument just now
i dont think there any ex mil ones for sale at the moment but someone will prove me wrong but the spares side from the military seems to be changing the mod has just released 18 x 3n2 engines [i dont know of their condition ]
the gazelle is a pilots machine just like the 500 in the gazelle you could sit like an old tart as you say or sit in the back of your 500 and get a crick in the neck lol
as for parts most owners have access or have a stock of servicable parts i myself have every major rotorble part available to replace on my aircraft but please note i am NOT wanting to sell any of them
steve
i think the gazelle is a good buy there are lots of parts avaiable if you look around, all all parts are still available new. yes the engine is expensive to maintain but as it very rarely goes wrong or need case halfs ect it could work out cheaper but i dont want to get into an allison argument just now
i dont think there any ex mil ones for sale at the moment but someone will prove me wrong but the spares side from the military seems to be changing the mod has just released 18 x 3n2 engines [i dont know of their condition ]
the gazelle is a pilots machine just like the 500 in the gazelle you could sit like an old tart as you say or sit in the back of your 500 and get a crick in the neck lol
as for parts most owners have access or have a stock of servicable parts i myself have every major rotorble part available to replace on my aircraft but please note i am NOT wanting to sell any of them
steve
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Would agree with you there, just trying to point out to the guy that he is potentially buying an obselete machine ( although streets better than its replacement -EC120).
Never sit in the back of a 500 though so dont know what you mean!!!!!!!!
John's 342 is much nicer than 341 for pax and would go with this everytime
I think MW still have a couple of mil ones for sale and still GGAZI the one I used to regularly fly.
Right about a 250 although my cases seem to last 5years and about 1200 hrs. Pity Turbomeca aren't more reasonable in pricing EC120 fcu £ 22k, 250 fcu £4.5k
Have a Happy Xmas and safe year Steve and all rotorheads everyone
Would agree with you there, just trying to point out to the guy that he is potentially buying an obselete machine ( although streets better than its replacement -EC120).
Never sit in the back of a 500 though so dont know what you mean!!!!!!!!
John's 342 is much nicer than 341 for pax and would go with this everytime
I think MW still have a couple of mil ones for sale and still GGAZI the one I used to regularly fly.
Right about a 250 although my cases seem to last 5years and about 1200 hrs. Pity Turbomeca aren't more reasonable in pricing EC120 fcu £ 22k, 250 fcu £4.5k
Have a Happy Xmas and safe year Steve and all rotorheads everyone
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As opposed to the diablo wheels, more commonly only used back at base,
The fly away wheels could be fitted on the rear skid arch, on a mount secured by a pit pin, as dig in says.
These days, it would seem (by the time it took to find these pics!), the bracket has been removed. Even so, on the many times when the use of fly away wheels was called for, I found they would, in reality, be carried inside the aircraft.
For ground handling, the skids would be raised by the hydraulic jack and the fly away wheel fitted to the atttachment place the diablo wheels would normally be fitted to. Hence the 2 attachment tubes on each skid. (1 for the jack, 1 for the wheel.)
An excellent bit of kit and ideally useful when putting the aircraft on the back of a C-130.
The fly away wheels could be fitted on the rear skid arch, on a mount secured by a pit pin, as dig in says.
These days, it would seem (by the time it took to find these pics!), the bracket has been removed. Even so, on the many times when the use of fly away wheels was called for, I found they would, in reality, be carried inside the aircraft.
For ground handling, the skids would be raised by the hydraulic jack and the fly away wheel fitted to the atttachment place the diablo wheels would normally be fitted to. Hence the 2 attachment tubes on each skid. (1 for the jack, 1 for the wheel.)
An excellent bit of kit and ideally useful when putting the aircraft on the back of a C-130.
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...apparently, THEY can be flown with ground handling wheels still attached 
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THEY can be flown with ground handling wheels still attached
That's why the pilots like the push-back crew to wave it at them before they set the big eighteen wheeler in motion.
One Friday evening I was helping to put the CDS's Gazelle away for the night at Northolt, on Monday morning I was set to work on a B747 at Heathrow. Quite a change of scenery (and quite a cut in pay too! - until I got my licence)
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Well spotted Green Knight.
However, if you had refreshed your window the pics would have appeared for you. I have now hosted them elsewhere, so you should'nt have to do anything too complicated in order to see them.
For those who missed it, because of the airliners.net link and an inability to refresh the page, instead of the Gazelle pics, Green Knight saw the airliners.net logo.
However, if you had refreshed your window the pics would have appeared for you. I have now hosted them elsewhere, so you should'nt have to do anything too complicated in order to see them.
For those who missed it, because of the airliners.net link and an inability to refresh the page, instead of the Gazelle pics, Green Knight saw the airliners.net logo.
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As opposed to the diablo wheels, more commonly only used back at base,
The fly away wheels could be fitted on the rear skid arch, on a mount secured by a pit pin, as dig in says.
These days, it would seem (by the time it took to find these pics!), the bracket has been removed. Even so, on the many times when the use of fly away wheels was called for, I found they would, in reality, be carried inside the aircraft.
For ground handling, the skids would be raised by the hydraulic jack and the fly away wheel fitted to the atttachment place the diablo wheels would normally be fitted to. Hence the 2 attachment tubes on each skid. (1 for the jack, 1 for the wheel.)
An excellent bit of kit and ideally useful when putting the aircraft on the back of a C-130.
The fly away wheels could be fitted on the rear skid arch, on a mount secured by a pit pin, as dig in says.
These days, it would seem (by the time it took to find these pics!), the bracket has been removed. Even so, on the many times when the use of fly away wheels was called for, I found they would, in reality, be carried inside the aircraft.
For ground handling, the skids would be raised by the hydraulic jack and the fly away wheel fitted to the atttachment place the diablo wheels would normally be fitted to. Hence the 2 attachment tubes on each skid. (1 for the jack, 1 for the wheel.)
An excellent bit of kit and ideally useful when putting the aircraft on the back of a C-130.
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Well spotted that man.
With the fly awaywheels attached, the aircraft does not sit on the front of the skids (unlike when the diablo wheels are in place) and if left unattended would come to rest on the frangable fairing!
Unless of course you had a picnic table handy!!!
(notice if you will, that it is an RAF Gazelle, so a picnic table would never be too far away!) :wink:
With the fly awaywheels attached, the aircraft does not sit on the front of the skids (unlike when the diablo wheels are in place) and if left unattended would come to rest on the frangable fairing!
Unless of course you had a picnic table handy!!!
(notice if you will, that it is an RAF Gazelle, so a picnic table would never be too far away!) :wink:
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Gazelle wanted
Hi Rotorheads
I noticed this thread ended Dec06, so don't know if anybody will reply. It's just that i'm looking to buy a civilian Gazelle 341G or 342J, and finding limited machines for sale. Like most buyers i'm looking for relatively low hrs well cared for and a relatively decent avionics package. I have a budget of between £250k up to £300k. I will consider a machine which needs work or has high hrs, but obviously it will reflect in the price.
It's purely for pleasure, but i want to be able to carry passengers so don't want military as the permit to fly will not allow.
Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks - replies to [email protected] please
I noticed this thread ended Dec06, so don't know if anybody will reply. It's just that i'm looking to buy a civilian Gazelle 341G or 342J, and finding limited machines for sale. Like most buyers i'm looking for relatively low hrs well cared for and a relatively decent avionics package. I have a budget of between £250k up to £300k. I will consider a machine which needs work or has high hrs, but obviously it will reflect in the price.
It's purely for pleasure, but i want to be able to carry passengers so don't want military as the permit to fly will not allow.
Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks - replies to [email protected] please