reduced CPL/MEIR

[ncusack]

Hi all,
I am at my wits end!! I am looking to do an ICAO CPL/MEIR somewhere with the aim to convert to jaa but am falling short on funds!! Same old story I know!!

But.....My best quote is with IAANZ at 48K NZD. Has anyone any cheaper route? I am close with the funds ......But not there!! I don't want to start the debt game before stating the conversion process, as that will be already a bit*h plus probably a type rating on top.......the mind boggles.

Thanks everyone for ANY info;
ncusack

[ecj]

Have you costed the "conversion" part to JAA?

Consider JAA modular instead once JAA class one medical issued.

[dorosenco]

Hi ncusack,

I can tell you my story, FAA Comm/Multi/IR + CFI. Working to build time in Southern California. I'm also working on the JAA license conversion : 1,795 Distance Learning + 728 CAA exams. You should count on 4,000 for ME/IR conversion + 2,000 CPL license.

That would mean a total of ~8,600 pounds for License Conversion (Minimum !!!).

To get your FAA Comm/Multi/IR will depend on the number of hours that you have. Minimum (you already have 250hrs) would be ~4,000 pounds.

Minimum total required : ~13,000 pounds. And you end up with TWO professional Licenses : FAA + JAA Multi/IR both.

You should maybe double the numbers as worse case. I would say anywhere from 15,000-20,000 pounds to be more realistic.

Again, all that is based on 250hrs of single engine time that you ALREADY have ! If not, add $65/hr times the number of hours that you need to reach the 250hours to the previous number.

Take Care,

[ncusack]

HI Guys,
Just one question.......In hour building, what type of A/C does it need to be? Or does it matter as long as you are in command?

Thanks;
Ncusack

[dorosenco]

hours building can be done in ANY aircraft as long as it has wings and an engine
yeah, you want to be PIC. join a flying club and fly your ass off, don't join a flight school for hours building because their prices are much higher than a flying club.

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[SKYYACHT]

HOURS BUILDING

Dorosenco.....

Your comment about hours building is not entirely true...For clarification, Aircraft used for the greater part of hours building must be of the correct weight, ie., a group A aircraft; it is not sufficient to fly all of the hours on say a Microlight, or ULA. Up to 500 of the required hours, may, however, be completed in a Self Launching Motor Glider and up to 100 hours on microlight Aeroplanes may be included in the hours requirements too. This is based on the hours requirment for the CPL(A). I offer this in an "unqualified" manner, as I am going by memory. I suggest that for total accuracy - and minimum disappointment, that the correct information is sourced from the CAA, either by checking the appropriate section of LASORS 2003, and/or visiting the CAA Website.

Hope that helps.

Blueskies....

[FlyingForFun]

Skyyacht,

I think you must have made a mistake somewhere. 500 hours may be in a SLMG? But you only need 250 hours total for a CPL!

I don't know the rules about non-aeroplane hours, but I'm sure it will all be in LASORS somewhere. Have you got the requirements for CPL and ATPL mixed up, I wonder?

But since we are talking about the cheapest way of obtaining a license here, can I (again) suggest that you get yourself a tail-wheel checkout, and then buy a single-seater PFA aircraft for less than £10k. Once you've bought your aircraft, you can fly it for around £15-£20 hour, maybe even less. Get the hours you need, then sell the aircraft - as long as you've looked after it, you should get most, if not all, of your initial investment back.

FFF
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[ncusack]

Hey Guys;
There is alot of good advice in there. Thanks alot.

As for the 250 Hour requirement for CPL.......Is this strictly an hour build and then pass a skills test? If so on what aircraft?

Rgds
ncusack

[FlyingForFun]

Ncusack, you really need to get yourself a copy of LASORS! It's all on-line, but especially if you're looking at some of the more "exotic" options like converting foreign licenses or building hours on SLMGs or microlights, I would think the £10 for a hard copy which will give you definitive answers to these questions would be money well spent.

The requirements for CPL are that you must have 200 hours before you can start the course, and 250 hours before you can apply for the license. The basic course itself is a minimum of 25 hours, although this gets a bit longer if you do it on a multi-engine aircraft and if you don't have a night qualification before you start. So no, it's not just a case of hour-building and passing a test, you have to follow an approved course.

As to which aircraft, it must be what the Americans would call a "complex", i.e. retractible gear and constant speed prop. Piper Arrow seems to be the most common single-engined type, or just about any light twin that's suitable for training, but you'll use whatever aircraft your school has.

Hope that answers some of the questions.

FFF
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[ncusack]

FFF:

That true......Will get my hands on a copy ASAP!

Ncusack