The jump seat note?
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The jump seat note?
Hi all,
Have been reading a few old posts about this and just have a couple of questions for those of you who have requested to get onto the jump seat; by use of a note to the captain.
I will be flying with Ryanair in a few weeks.
I have never used this note method before. I have a fair idea what to say to the captain but I am wondering do I need to give the hostess my logbook?
I am nearly finished my Leaving Cert. and have only some 7hrs logged as its a few more weeks before I start proper full time training.
Would really appreciate any advice on what to do once I board the aircraft, and what to give, etc.
Thanks,
Best wishes,
Turbsy
Ireland
Have been reading a few old posts about this and just have a couple of questions for those of you who have requested to get onto the jump seat; by use of a note to the captain.
I will be flying with Ryanair in a few weeks.
I have never used this note method before. I have a fair idea what to say to the captain but I am wondering do I need to give the hostess my logbook?
I am nearly finished my Leaving Cert. and have only some 7hrs logged as its a few more weeks before I start proper full time training.
Would really appreciate any advice on what to do once I board the aircraft, and what to give, etc.
Thanks,
Best wishes,
Turbsy
Ireland
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I have been fortunate enough with the use of my trustly letter to request and get the Jump Seat 4 times in the last month.
The letter (handed to first staff member seen boarding the plane and addressed to the Captain of Flight XYZ and dated) should simply outline who you are and where you are in your training.
I DID NOT nor would I ever, hand over my log book, BUT do include a photocopy of your License.
Smile your best smile & act humble! Although not essential try to be reasonably dressed - it cant hurt.
Good Luck
The letter (handed to first staff member seen boarding the plane and addressed to the Captain of Flight XYZ and dated) should simply outline who you are and where you are in your training.
I DID NOT nor would I ever, hand over my log book, BUT do include a photocopy of your License.
Smile your best smile & act humble! Although not essential try to be reasonably dressed - it cant hurt.
Good Luck
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be sure to speak to the head flight attendant(usually the one who greets you when you board) and he/she might as you to remind them in flight. just ask if it'd be possible, when convenient, if you could visit the cockpit as you are also a pilot yadda yadda. it's usually not a problem in cruise. i'm currently enrolled in a flight program at the local college and when i asked to get up to the office when i was flying Toronto-LHR (on Air Canada) they were more than happy to oblige. turns out the f/o was a graduate too, the boys were good enough to let me sit through the appr and landing. same goes for the flight back as well, spent the whole flight in the jump seat. good luck
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Whoops sorry didnt read the bit about the not having started training yet.
Just explain in your letter that you are a new convert to the joys of flying and are set to start training X date at X school and would as long as it is not against company policy or if he is undertaking line training, you would really appreciate being given the opportunity to see how it is all done.
You could always photocopy log book I suppose.
Just explain in your letter that you are a new convert to the joys of flying and are set to start training X date at X school and would as long as it is not against company policy or if he is undertaking line training, you would really appreciate being given the opportunity to see how it is all done.
You could always photocopy log book I suppose.
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Thanks very much for all the advice lads.
I have been very fortunate to get many jump seat experiences since the age of 9, nearly all onboard Aer Lingus flights.
Most of my questions during those flights were concerned with the cadetship the airline has.
However now that Iam flying on a Ryanair flight very soon, I know that those pilots will more and likely be direct entry pilots.
Since it seems the road Iam going to take is the Direct Entry way, I would be fascinated to see how they got to were they are today.
Have any of you asked Ryanair pilots (or any direct entry pilots) what flying schools they went to, how did they go about building up hrs, etc, etc?
If so would really appreciate it if you could tell me what feedback you got.
Should I give my passport or drivers liscence to the hostess as well?
Did you lads just hand the note to the hostess and then go straight to your seat, reminding them later inflight?
Thanks again for all your help,
Cheers,
Turbsy
I have been very fortunate to get many jump seat experiences since the age of 9, nearly all onboard Aer Lingus flights.
Most of my questions during those flights were concerned with the cadetship the airline has.
However now that Iam flying on a Ryanair flight very soon, I know that those pilots will more and likely be direct entry pilots.
Since it seems the road Iam going to take is the Direct Entry way, I would be fascinated to see how they got to were they are today.
Have any of you asked Ryanair pilots (or any direct entry pilots) what flying schools they went to, how did they go about building up hrs, etc, etc?
If so would really appreciate it if you could tell me what feedback you got.
Should I give my passport or drivers liscence to the hostess as well?
Did you lads just hand the note to the hostess and then go straight to your seat, reminding them later inflight?
Thanks again for all your help,
Cheers,
Turbsy
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Turbsy,
I do pretty much as ATCNightmare has suggested, with the following additions:
If you can, check in early and request an aisle seat near the front; it makes it easier for the cabin crew to find you.
When you know your seat, write it on the note for the captain - I just put it in brackets after my signature.
Don't put the note in an envelope; it makes cabin crew suspicious as they don't know what it is. And tell them it's a request to visit the flight deck, but don't make a big deal about it as they're very busy when people are boarding.
I wouldn't personally hand over my logbook; I'd be terrified of it getting lost. Photocopy something to prove you're who you say you are - the page in your logbook would do, or a student card; anything really.
Good luck; you should be OK; I've had jump seat rides with Ryanair; on the whole they're quite a laidback lot. But of course it does depend on the individual captain, so don't blame yourself (or me
) if all this doesn't work.
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Whirly
To fly is human, to hover, divine.
I do pretty much as ATCNightmare has suggested, with the following additions:
If you can, check in early and request an aisle seat near the front; it makes it easier for the cabin crew to find you.
When you know your seat, write it on the note for the captain - I just put it in brackets after my signature.
Don't put the note in an envelope; it makes cabin crew suspicious as they don't know what it is. And tell them it's a request to visit the flight deck, but don't make a big deal about it as they're very busy when people are boarding.
I wouldn't personally hand over my logbook; I'd be terrified of it getting lost. Photocopy something to prove you're who you say you are - the page in your logbook would do, or a student card; anything really.
Good luck; you should be OK; I've had jump seat rides with Ryanair; on the whole they're quite a laidback lot. But of course it does depend on the individual captain, so don't blame yourself (or me
) if all this doesn't work.------------------
Whirly
To fly is human, to hover, divine.
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Piece of advice.....
I write a letter when I go on a commercial flight and it usually works, but be aware that there are some ladies up front as well, who have got there through hard work, perhaps in a male environment. So "dear sirs..." might not be a good idea. The last time I thought about this, lo and behold the Senior FO was a lady. Lucky I thought and had changed my letter.
By the way ask for a takeoff and landing as well, it sometimes works for me. One last thing, be aware when it is time to shut up as they have a very responsible job.
Rex
I write a letter when I go on a commercial flight and it usually works, but be aware that there are some ladies up front as well, who have got there through hard work, perhaps in a male environment. So "dear sirs..." might not be a good idea. The last time I thought about this, lo and behold the Senior FO was a lady. Lucky I thought and had changed my letter.
By the way ask for a takeoff and landing as well, it sometimes works for me. One last thing, be aware when it is time to shut up as they have a very responsible job.
Rex
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Right then, here it is - my killer letter! Has never failed:
Dear Captain,
As a trainee commercial pilot I am enquiring if it is possible to take the jumpseat for this sector?
I appreciate that this sector may have a high workload for you and your colleague and will bear this in mind.
I am especially interested in seeing Multi Crew Cooperation in operation.
I can assure you that my behaviour will be exemplary and I will leave the flightdeck immediately if requested to do so.
I hold a PPL and JAA Class 1 Medical.
Yours faithfully............
Try it!
PFO
Dear Captain,
As a trainee commercial pilot I am enquiring if it is possible to take the jumpseat for this sector?
I appreciate that this sector may have a high workload for you and your colleague and will bear this in mind.
I am especially interested in seeing Multi Crew Cooperation in operation.
I can assure you that my behaviour will be exemplary and I will leave the flightdeck immediately if requested to do so.
I hold a PPL and JAA Class 1 Medical.
Yours faithfully............
Try it!
PFO
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Yeah, all this is Ok is your already a pilot, or nearly one. I cannot afford PPL ( live with my parents ). It is simply out of the question. However, I am a member on my schools RAF cadets, and have done a bit of flying there, and by the time of my next commercial flight will have done a 5 day gliding course. I am really interested in aircraft, go to airshows, read books magizines etc. Once I have funds ( after uni ) then I will learn to fly.
So do I stand a chance of getting into the jump seat? I will be travelling by Ryanair, if there policies are strict/relaxed?
Thanks
Rob
So do I stand a chance of getting into the jump seat? I will be travelling by Ryanair, if there policies are strict/relaxed?
Thanks
Rob
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All sound advice. Both times I've jumpseated, I've handed in a short hand written note explaining that I'm an ever so humble student pilot & would love to spend some time on the flightdeck. (I have never requested the jumpseat, just a visit).
I've handed in my log book at the same time as proof I'm genuine, and just tried to look as normal as possible. Both times I've immediately been invited up to strap myself in, and the crews could not have been friendlier.
It puts a grin on your face that lasts all week, and reminds you exactly why you're blowing a small fortune on that ATPL!
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit pruning.
I've handed in my log book at the same time as proof I'm genuine, and just tried to look as normal as possible. Both times I've immediately been invited up to strap myself in, and the crews could not have been friendlier.
It puts a grin on your face that lasts all week, and reminds you exactly why you're blowing a small fortune on that ATPL!
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit pruning.
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I have travelled with Ryanair many many times - mainly between Stansted and Prestwick.
Their jump seat policy is positive, and I have NEVER been denied the jump seat for landing. (And only denied it once for t/o)
All the Ryanair crews I have met have been extremely friendly, laid back, and generally good guys.
B.T.W, for Whirly especially The one thing I hate about Ryanair is that they have a free seating policy - which is an absolute nightmare. All I can say is try to get on board as one of the first, smile, and say you'll just sit here for a minute while the No.1 goes up front.
Turbsy and Rob, follow the good advice posted above, and I will be very surprised to hear that you have been denied the chance with the Ryans.
Good luck!
FJW.
Their jump seat policy is positive, and I have NEVER been denied the jump seat for landing. (And only denied it once for t/o)
All the Ryanair crews I have met have been extremely friendly, laid back, and generally good guys.
B.T.W, for Whirly especially
The one thing I hate about Ryanair is that they have a free seating policy - which is an absolute nightmare. All I can say is try to get on board as one of the first, smile, and say you'll just sit here for a minute while the No.1 goes up front.Turbsy and Rob, follow the good advice posted above, and I will be very surprised to hear that you have been denied the chance with the Ryans.
Good luck!
FJW.
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In light of recent high-profile incidents, letting 'strangers' on the jump-seat is a bit of a can of worms for most flight crew at the momement.
My suggestion is ask for a visit in the cruise (very rarely turned down) and then tell the captain face to face about your interest in flying - nine times out of ten, a well presented visitor with a genuine interest in aviation will be asked to stay for the landing - and thats got to be better than nothing !
Bon chance !
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"After V1, we'll take the emergency into the air - You call 'Positive Climb' and I'll ask for the gear up. We'll climb away at between V2 and V2 + 25"
My suggestion is ask for a visit in the cruise (very rarely turned down) and then tell the captain face to face about your interest in flying - nine times out of ten, a well presented visitor with a genuine interest in aviation will be asked to stay for the landing - and thats got to be better than nothing !
Bon chance !
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"After V1, we'll take the emergency into the air - You call 'Positive Climb' and I'll ask for the gear up. We'll climb away at between V2 and V2 + 25"
