Multi Crew Co-operation Courses (MCC) - Providers & Facts

[scameron77]

I've decided to start this thread in the Interviews forum opposed to flight training one as firstly, I feel the way the market is changing every few days, in a few months all we might need after attaining our fATPL's is a MCC (opposed to a MCC and a TR) to secure that first job.

My 2nd reason is that this forum will have more people viewing it who have successfully attended or are in the process of researching a MCC course.

And I've moved it because it is about Flying Training and not about Interviews, Jobs or Sponsorships

Scroggs

Granted Scroggs, my idea was that most people looking to do a MCC are already at an advanced stage, hence they tend to view the interviews, jobs or sponsorship thread more often than this on. Therefore, noticing this thread, creating more interest, generating more feedback and making this discussion more complete. However I do appreciate your decision

Additionally, I would really appreciate it if those contributing would do the following. submit info in the same format I have used so far, source the website for the school (page specifically for MCC if possible). And finally no need to contact me numerous times regarding updating the first post, I will get round to doing it, just a busy bunny that's all.

Love and Kisses,

Stephen

3rd please add to this thread with comments suggestions, I will update this first thread to people don't have to trudge through 4/5 pages of posts to find out everything.

So here is what I've found so far:

JAA
Approx 1,500 to 3,700 GBP dependant on simulator used

Providers (in no particular order):

Bond Aviation - Gatwick/Heathrow Update 21st April, 1250 GMT courtesy flyintheskyfr via PPRuNe link 2 below
Website: www.bondaviationsolutions.com re-directs you to HUB'Air Belgium. www.hubair.net (website needs a password - not a good start)
Cost: 2,999 EUR
Simulator used: Beech 200

CTC (via ATP program) - Bournemouth Update 19th April, 0830 GMT courtesy chocksawayUK
Website: www.ctc-aviation.com
Cost: Cost is £4650 + VAT. (Or £5695 + VAT incl. full board accom.) + 165 GBP fee for stage 2 interview Initially didn't add the with accommodation info as I haven't for any other school, just basic costs
Simulator Used: 737-?
Additional comments: JOC/MCC/and CRM combined in course. 3 stage interview process to be accepted. Placement with partner airlines upon completion and suitability.

Jetlinx - Uses BA simulators at Cranebank, Heathrow
http://www.jetlinx.co.uk/mcc.htm
Cost: 3,650 GBP
Simulator used: 757-? and A320
Additional Information: Use level-D full flight simulators. The courses are available only on the A320 or B757 Courtesy no sponsor via PM

Parc Aviation - Dublin
Website: http://www.parcaviation.aero/aviation/cs_multi_crew.htm
Cost: 4,755 EUR
Simulator used: 737-200
Additional comments: I've read mixed reviews, instructors seem to be on the ball, sales team leave a lot to be desired.

Oxford Aviation - Oxford
http://www.oxfordaviation.net/skills/mod-04.htm
Cost: 2,595 GBP
Simulator used: 737-?
Additional comments: JOC/MCC combined

Cabair- Cranfield & Bournemouth
Website: http://www.cabair.com/modular/05.htm
Cost: ?
Simulators used: Alsim 200 & Tristar LC-1011

Wolverhampton Airport Flight Centre - Wolverhampton
Website: http://www.hgfc.co.uk/htm/multicrew.htm
Cost: 1,950 GBP
Simulator Used: Piper Cheyenne

Atlantic Flight Training - Coventry
Website: http://www.flyaft.com/images/IMGXK0TzV.pdf
Cost: 1,995 GBP
Simulator used: Beech 200

Scandinavian Aviation Academy - Vasteras, Sweden
Website: http://www.bfsaa.se/utbildningar.php?uid=2&aid=0
Cost 39,995 SEK
Simulator used: 737-?
Additional comments: Approved by Ryanair

Lufthansa Flight Training - Various, Germany
Website: http://www.lft-online.de/lft/eng/dat...hp?menu_id=151 (not too easy to navigate, they also use slightly different definitions from other flight schools)
Cost: ? (I have requested info)
Simulators used: they have over 30 but again requested info for MCC course
Additional comments: Unsure of their relationship with Intercockpit

Relating to details directly above:

InterCockpit Update 19th April, 0745 GMT courtesy Flopsie
Website: www.intercockpit.com
Cost: €5400
Simulators used: 737-? & A320
Additional Info: FTO of LFT providing ab-initio integrated/modular training, MCC, type rating and base/line training for 737/A320

BCFTC, Bournemouth Update 19th April, 0745 GMT courtesy Tristar1
Website: www.bcft.org.uk/mcc.shtml
Cost: website states 2,399 GBP Tristar 1 quotes 2,499 GBP
Simulator Used: Full motion L1011 (Tristar)

Swiss Aviation Training Ltd., Zurich LSZH Update 19th April, 0745 GMT courtesy error 401
Website: www.swiss-aviation-training.com/satindex/index/aviation-training/at-pilot-training/at-hf/at-hf-mcc.htm
Simulator Used: based on Airbus A320 (possibly still use the A320 FFS)
Additional Info: Leading also in the new ICAO Multi Crew licensing, website a mixture of English and German but was taking an age to load when I checked the link

TFC Kaeufer GmbH, Germany Update 21st April, 1330 GMT courtesy error 401 & bfato
Website: http://www.tfc-kaeufer.de/angebot.html
Cost: 3,490 EUR
Simulator Used: 737-?
Additional Info: Website completely in German, doesn't appear geared to a pan-European market.

London Metropolitan University, City of London Update 20th April, 0230 GMT courtesy bfato
Website: http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/depts/bss...s/prof/mcc.cfm (PDF at: http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/library/u83482_3.pdf)
Cost: GBP 2,250
Simulator Used: King Air (unsure if 90/200/350 however not much difference)

Flight Experience, Bristol Update 21st April, 1250 GMT courtesy herbaceous
Website: www.flightexperience.co.uk
Cost: TBC but anticipate mid £2k
Simulator Used: 737NG Fixed Base sim
Additional Info: This is a new operation which expects to start courses in August 06, no specifics on MCC as yet, glossy MPEG though

Flight Training Europe, Jerez, Spain Update 21st April, 1250 GMT courtesy Jimmy the Big Greek via PPRuNe link 2 below
Website: http://www.flighttrainingeurope.com/...ourses_modular
Cost: 4,000 EUR (It includes accommodation and food)
Simulator Used: Hawker 125-800
Additional Info: scroll down 3/4 way website link for MCC info

Panamedia, Palma de Mallorca, Spain Update 21st April, 1250 GMT courtesy Jerezflyer via PPRuNe link 2 below
Website: http://www.panamedia.org/mcc_texto.htm
Cost: 2,400 EUR
Simulator Used: King Air 200
Additional Info: Website in Spanish, no English version button in sight.

Avia Training, Norway Update 21st April, 1250 GMT courtesy slow&low via PPRuNe link 2 below
Website: http://www.aviatraining.no/index.php...4bfd5109484b14
Cost: From 2,425 EUR King Air 200 to 4,250 EUR B737
Simulator Used: King Air 200 and B737-?

University of Zilina, Slovakia Update 21st April, 1250 GMT courtesy kinetic via PPRuNe link 2 below
Website: http://www.lvvc.utc.sk/?page=85&lang=en
Cost: ?
Simulators Used: FNTP II MCC (not defined)

Flugschule Berlin, Germany Update 21st April, 1250 GMT courtesy bfato via PPRuNe link 2 below
Website: http://www.flugschule-berlin.de/mcc_e.htm
Cost: B737-300 €3,890.00 incl VAT COLOR="Red"]Update 27th April, 2030 GMT courtesy ColeTrickle[/COLOR]
Simulators Used: 737-300, 737-800, A310 and A320

Flugschule Ardex, Kyritz, Germany Update 21st April, 1250 GMT courtesy dofly via PPRuNe link 2 below
Website: http://www.flugschule-ardex.de/html/funk.html
Cost: 2,160 EUR (Beech) and 4,250 EUR (B737)
Simulators Used: Beech 200 and B737-?
Additional Info: Not in English

Aerodynamics Malaga, Spain Update 22nd April, 18.45 GMT courtesy kyla via PPRuNe link 2 below
Website: http://www.aerodynamics-malaga.com/ (no direct link due to flash animation)
Cost: 2,980 EUR
Simulators Used: Beech 200/Beech Duchess/Citation
Additional Info: No specifics I could find on the MCC on the website, nice music though

Multi Crew Training Ltd., Bournemouth Update 24th April, 10.30 GMT courtesy FougaMagister
Website: http://www.multicrew.co.uk
Cost: 2,400 GBP
Simulator Used: L1011-500 (Tristar)

Flight Safety International, Farnborough & Paris Update 24th April, 10.30 GMT courtesy FougaMagister
Website: http://http://www.flightsafety.com/s...Id=6&groupId=7
Cost: Falcon 20 €6,159.40 incl VAT, Saab 340 £2,500.00 ex VAT
Simulator Used: EMB-120, Falcon 20, Saab 340 Update 27th April, 20.30 GMT courtesy ColeTrickle
Additional Information: I searched the website, not too much tangeable info though, however ColeTrickle wrote to them and found ot the following, Falcon 20 offered at Le Bourget and Saab 340 at Farnborough. No info on the EMB-120 yet.

SAS Flight Academy, Stockholm, Sweden (also Olso, Norway) Update 24th April, 10.30 GMT courtesy Olof
Website: http://www.sasflightacademy.com/
Cost: ?
Simulator Used: Fokker 28 (Full Flight Sim)
Additional Info: Click on 'Training' Tab, then 'Pilot', then 'courses' for minimal info on MCC. PPRuNer Olof did his on the the F28 however according to their website you can do a MCC on any of their aircraft.

RWL GERMAN FLIGHT ACADEMY GmbH, Moenchengladbach Update 27th April, 20.30 GMT courtesy ColeTrickle
Website: http://www.rwl-flight.de/uploads/pdf/32SimB737.pdf
Cost: Beech 200 €2,160.00 incl VAT, B737 400/800 €3,190.00 incl VAT
Simulators Used: King Air 200, 737-300/400 and 737-800
Additional Information: All in German, can fumble through it and get the gist if you are patient though. Also very competitive.

FAA
No provision or requirement for a specific MCC in the US, however they undergo LOFT (Line Orientated Flight Training) which covers the elements of a JAA MCC course (I'm guessing not to the same detail, however maybe I'm wrong). Heard there may be issues for non-US citizens doing TR courses despite having a FAA licences.

Other useful PPRuNe threads:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=217406

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=203402

[High Wing Drifter]

Thanks Scameron, nothig to add but to say this'll come in handy as I'm just now thinking about the MCC.

[BOAC]

The problem is, as I explained, it is the mods' responsibility to ensure that posts on PPrune do not contain any untoward links. I and PPP do not have time to sit while 62mb of video on a topic (which I would not, I admit, find of interest), download and then watch it. Hence the action. Now this is off somewhere else.

[Flopsie]

Originally Posted by scameron77

Lufthansa Flight Training - Various, Germany
Website: http://www.lft-online.de/lft/eng/dat...hp?menu_id=151 (not too easy to navigate, they also use slightly different definitions from other flight schools)
Cost: ? (I have requested info)
Simulators used: they have over 30 but again requested info for MCC course
Additional comments: Unsure of their relationship with Intercockpit

InterCockpit is an FTO of LFT providing ab-initio integrated/modular training, MCC, type rating and base/line training for 737/A320

Cost of MCC: €5400 (737 or A320) - (£3,739.88 at today's rate)

http://www.intercockpit.com

[TRISTAR1]

MCC Providers

Bournemouth Commercial Flight Training (BCFTC)

Full motion Lockheed L1011 (Tristar)

Cost £2499 incl

[scameron77]

0800 GMT Wednesday 19th

Updated 4 new providers.

I would only add the sentiments I expressed in the blue text at the top of the post. If you want to add any provider(s) please complete in the following order:

Provider, Location, Country (unless obvious)
Website: Specifically of the MCC course
Cost: local currency is fine
Simulator used:
Additional Information:

Also please just don't be a user, if you find out anything which is currently a '?' please let us know or have any knowledge to add to the thread please take the 2 minutes out of your day to write a PM/post.

[ChocksAwayUK]

Just to confirm/correct a few things RE: CTC ATP:
Cost is £4650 + VAT. (Or £5695+VAT incl. full board accom.) There is no 'interview fee' although there is a fee of £164.50 for Stage 2's aptitude tests (no longer 'under discussion', but fact.)

[bfato]

London Metropolitan University, City of London
website: http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/depts/bss...s/prof/mcc.cfm
pdf: http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/library/u83482_3.pdf
cost: GBP2,250
sim: FNPTII configured as Kingair

[herbaceous]

MCC Providers

Flight Experience,Bristol
Website: www.flightexperience.co.uk
TBC but anticipate mid £2k
737NG Fixed Base sim
This is a new operation which expects to start courses in August 06.
Contact details on website.

[FougaMagister]

http://www.flightsafety.com/centers.php for MCC course on the EMB-120 at Le Bourget in Paris. Cost 4,000 Euros inc. VAT

http://www.multicrew.co.uk - L1011-500 Tritstar sim in Bournemouth, 2,400 inc. VAT.

Cheers

[Olof]

FYI, SAS Flight Academy uses a FFS F28 for their MCC course

[scameron77]

Updated 3 schools thanks to FougaMaster and Olof and amended Jetlinx info.

Please folks help me out by giving me something to work with, I have just spent 40 minutes transfering the limited info supplied into the format already defined and then checking the websites to make sure they are OK and so the link goes to the correct page for the MCC.

Not trying to sound like a little bitch but I have already spent 4 hours approx on this already and could do with a little help.

Thanks

NB I'm guessing that companies such as BA/Virgin/BMI/etc. do an MCC course 'in-house' and as part of the company aclimiatisation and SOP's proceedure upon joining? If not, any idea of which providers they use (if external) may look good on the CV if you turn up for an interview and you have a qualification from an already recognised and validated provider.

[Megaton]

BA do all their training in-house and don't use external providers. There isn't a BA "MCC" per se. When yoi the company you attend their own CRM course which is classroom based so I wouldn't bother trying to find a "path of least resistance" in to the company.

[moggiee]

BA Cadet Pilots have traditionally been put through a Jet Orientation Course at either Flight Training Europe (nee BAE Flight Training) or CTC. Any pilot without 500 hours multi crew time is required to undertake an MCC before the issue of their first multi-pilot type rating on their licence - but that can be combined with the type rating itself.

[ColeTrickle]

Got recently as an offer for MCC:

FlightSafety International:
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PARIS LEARNING CENTER
Falcon 20 €6,159.40 incl VAT

FARNBOROUGH
Saab 340 £2,500.00 ex VAT

Flugschule Berlin:
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B737-300 €3,890.00 incl VAT

RWL GERMAN FLIGHT ACADEMY GmbH:
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Beech 200 €2,160.00 incl VAT
B737 400/800 €3,190.00 incl VAT

[scameron77]

Updates

Updated Flugschule Berlin and FlightSafety as per post above.

Added RWL, it took me ages to sift through it though because I don't speak German, if any further contributors find a non English provider I would be obliged if they got to the specific page on the MCC course.

Additionally removed some of my update posts during a thread maintenance as they were clogging up the thread.

I'll also add again, if you want to add any provider(s) please complete in the following order:

Provider, Location, Country (unless obvious)
Website: Specifically of the MCC course
Cost: local currency is fine
Simulator used:
Additional Information:

Thanks

[ClintonBaptiste]

Where to do my MCC?

I finally got my CPL/IR last year, but due to unforseen circumstances I have not yet got my MCC. Nevertheless I've sent off some cv's in the hope that someone might give me a chance ( me and 1000's more! )
Now that I've just about got the time and money to get my MCC, I can't decide where to go?

I'd prefer a jet sim, but don't want to pay through the nose for it! I'm tempted to go for the Ryanair TRSS( some say I'm daft, some say it'll be worth it in the long run ). To get on the TRSS, it's said to be beneficial to do the Parc MCC ( not cheap at 4500Euro ), but I'm also tempted by Oxford.

ANY sensible advice on this matter would be appreciated, as would a fellow student to join me on the course.

Cheers

[mackey]

BCFT gets my vote.
Played on the L1011 Tristar for the practical, it was bloody good fun and didn't cost the earth to do.
M.

[speedrestriction]

I didn't do it myself but from what I hear CTC are good. The AQC is overpriced for an MCC but if you are successful you can get onto one of their TR courses. Like I said I didn't do it myself, you'll have to do the investigatative work yourself.

sr

[mach daddy]

mcc with parc,then?

Does anyone know the exact what happens once you finish the mcc with parc?

Rumour has it that they're good for getting the guys interviews with ryanair and I was wondering if anybody can verify this.Would you need to approach the instructors directly or maybe people that do well on the course hear from ryanair?Seems to be a lot of luck involved.Thanks.