Definative List of Essential Equipment
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To be honest I'm a little dismayed that nobody has replied to the questions I asked. This thread has been viewed approximately 75 times since then and I'm pretty sure there would have been people who could have added something to the discussion.
Therefore I've decided to buy the following:
ICAO 1:500,000 VFR Chart
Scale 1:500,000 and 1:1000,000
Compass Dividers
CRP-5 Flight Computer
5" PP-2 Commercial Square Protractor
AFE-AVP-1 All In One Plotter
Extra Fine, Fine and Medium perm and non-perm markers
Kneeboard with a light attached (any suggestions?)
Professional Logbook
Manuals (still unsure)
PPL Confuser
IMC Confuser
However I'm still unsure if I've got everything.
Yet another shop:
www.pooleys.co.uk
Therefore I've decided to buy the following:
ICAO 1:500,000 VFR Chart
Scale 1:500,000 and 1:1000,000
Compass Dividers
CRP-5 Flight Computer
5" PP-2 Commercial Square Protractor
AFE-AVP-1 All In One Plotter
Extra Fine, Fine and Medium perm and non-perm markers
Kneeboard with a light attached (any suggestions?)
Professional Logbook
Manuals (still unsure)
PPL Confuser
IMC Confuser
However I'm still unsure if I've got everything.
Yet another shop:
www.pooleys.co.uk
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But as you yourself point out, Tinny, people get no help with the CR! You blame the instructors, but since there are very few in the country, I don't see why we should know how to use them (I have only seen one - owned by a colleague). It is impossible to teach two different techniques in class. You know how many people hate flight computers whe they come to the ATPLs, so appreciate the help.
SC, I'm a certain as one can be that 15 mins with a CR book & any competent instructor would be off and running. Hell, I learnt to use mine myself before I had IR or instructor ratings. The wind side is the major difference but it's not difficult, per se. There's an extra scale or two on the calculator side, but they help short cut some of the Mach No questions compared to a CRP.
WRT to there being very few, perhaps thats because the instructors only consider the CRP? Sort of makes it a self fulfilling prophecy.
WRT to there being very few, perhaps thats because the instructors only consider the CRP? Sort of makes it a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Your list looks just fine for what you'll need.
I wouldn't spend big yet on the clipboard. You won't need it for a few hours yet. (at first, use a light coloured ordinary clipboard folded the other way + a big clip or elastic band.)
Charts are fine.
Dividers are fine, but if you can, also grab some that take a lead insert also. Useful for drawing arcs.
CRP 5, they'll do for the exams (been thrashed out as you can see)
No idea what the plotter is. Again, you won't need it untill you're venturing forth outside the training area. Personally, a good aeronautical ruler is a better bet.
Pens are fine. (Snaffle the KFC wipes for cleaning your chart)
5" protractor. Grab a piece of fishing line and insert in the tiny hole in the middle. Tie off the ends. Now you have a quick and accurate measuring device for tracks.
Light? Grab a 2 AA battery Maglite. Tough and they'll last.
Logbook. Yep.
Manuals.
I know nothing about the confusers. (I didn't do my PPL here)
A very useful book and it shouldn't cost the earth is an Aeronautical Dictionary by Dale Crane (ISBN 1560272872)
If you're dead set on going Commercial etc, bung these books in the Xmas list. The Jet Engine by Rolls Royce, Handling the BIg Jet by DP Davies, Aircraft Systems and Instrumentation by Pallet. Also Fate is the Hunter by Ernest K Gann. All of these are bloody good books.
Cheers
reddo
Your list looks just fine for what you'll need.
I wouldn't spend big yet on the clipboard. You won't need it for a few hours yet. (at first, use a light coloured ordinary clipboard folded the other way + a big clip or elastic band.)
Charts are fine.
Dividers are fine, but if you can, also grab some that take a lead insert also. Useful for drawing arcs.
CRP 5, they'll do for the exams (been thrashed out as you can see)
No idea what the plotter is. Again, you won't need it untill you're venturing forth outside the training area. Personally, a good aeronautical ruler is a better bet.
Pens are fine. (Snaffle the KFC wipes for cleaning your chart)
5" protractor. Grab a piece of fishing line and insert in the tiny hole in the middle. Tie off the ends. Now you have a quick and accurate measuring device for tracks.
Light? Grab a 2 AA battery Maglite. Tough and they'll last.
Logbook. Yep.
Manuals.
I know nothing about the confusers. (I didn't do my PPL here)
A very useful book and it shouldn't cost the earth is an Aeronautical Dictionary by Dale Crane (ISBN 1560272872)
If you're dead set on going Commercial etc, bung these books in the Xmas list. The Jet Engine by Rolls Royce, Handling the BIg Jet by DP Davies, Aircraft Systems and Instrumentation by Pallet. Also Fate is the Hunter by Ernest K Gann. All of these are bloody good books.
Cheers
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If you do decide to go for RR’s The Jet Engine, buy it direct from their site: http://www.rolls-Royce.com/history/p...jet_engine.jsp
I’ve seen it in several pilot shops for a hefty £35 + pp. If you buy it direct it’s £22 (£15 + PP with special delivery.)
I’ve seen it in several pilot shops for a hefty £35 + pp. If you buy it direct it’s £22 (£15 + PP with special delivery.)
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Cheers for that buddy, really added a lot to the thread. Perhaps you would like to direct stuff like that to me direct via a PM rather than taking up space on the forum, just don't really see what your post adds to the debate other than trying to make yourself look good and me bad.
I'll hopefully end this here. I've noticed that people criticising grammar, spelling, punctuation etc. on other threads and its boring to be honest, especially on a flying forum, The English Language Rumour Network (ELRuNe) maybe, but not here. Therefore, I'm going to share an anecdote with you.
I was given this piece of advice by a teacher when at school, I was pretty good at history, could always remember dates, significant players etc. and whenever a question was asked I always used to stick my hand up. If anyone got it wrong I used to correct them immediately to curry favour with the teacher. One day the history teacher asked me to wait behind, I did so and he said "Look Stephen, I know you are very clever, big fish little pond and all that. However there is no need for you to try and demonstrate it at every opportunity. By correcting someone, you get a little ego boost and think you've gained extra brownie points with me, but it is so short lived, if they think the Battle of Waterloo took place in 1814 let them believe it, what harm does it do if they think that? By correcting them, they feel stupid and just think 'what an arse' which stays with them quite a bit longer than your little victory ever did."
Anyway I blame bloody Bill Gates, Microsoft Word and the spell checker.
Now, do you spell pedantic with one 'd' or two. As I said, any more comments non thread related please direct them via PM to me.
I'll hopefully end this here. I've noticed that people criticising grammar, spelling, punctuation etc. on other threads and its boring to be honest, especially on a flying forum, The English Language Rumour Network (ELRuNe) maybe, but not here. Therefore, I'm going to share an anecdote with you.
I was given this piece of advice by a teacher when at school, I was pretty good at history, could always remember dates, significant players etc. and whenever a question was asked I always used to stick my hand up. If anyone got it wrong I used to correct them immediately to curry favour with the teacher. One day the history teacher asked me to wait behind, I did so and he said "Look Stephen, I know you are very clever, big fish little pond and all that. However there is no need for you to try and demonstrate it at every opportunity. By correcting someone, you get a little ego boost and think you've gained extra brownie points with me, but it is so short lived, if they think the Battle of Waterloo took place in 1814 let them believe it, what harm does it do if they think that? By correcting them, they feel stupid and just think 'what an arse' which stays with them quite a bit longer than your little victory ever did."
Anyway I blame bloody Bill Gates, Microsoft Word and the spell checker.
Now, do you spell pedantic with one 'd' or two. As I said, any more comments non thread related please direct them via PM to me.
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What I found
Dear Fellow Aspirers,
My circumstances have changed a little since starting this post, I got a call from the CFI on Friday and they want me to start ASAP, and do my PPL in the States opposed to here as was originally planned. Before anyone posts a reply back saying "Be careful, popular wisdom always says do the PPL here" I've looked into and am going to be doing it to JAA standards but attaining a FAA qualification. This is in very busy airspace at a very busy airport so not that perturbed.
Consequently I'm going to have to source FAA material rather than JAA stuff. However this is what I found while doing my research. Buying a ready-made bag seems to be a waste of time, avoid it. Despite what I wrote earlier, Pratt’s books I have since found out seem to get a better score than Thoms.
I was planning on buying them from Amazon.co.uk (by far the cheapest) for £13.96 each. However I was only going to buy books 1, 2, 3 and 4 based on what I'd read that human factors and radio telephony are best covered in the PPL confuser and CAP 413 manual, so £55.84 so far
The confuser isn't available on Amazon, you'll have to source it yourself from wherever, approx. £22 I think.
I went onto ebay and found a guy selling a CRP 5 for £55. He also sells the Met CD for £45 and IFR and VFR + UK supplement Oxford CD's for a further £70 I think. He might be willing to do you a deal; he's easy to find.
All the following from flightstore.co.uk
Jeppesen European Professional Pilot Log Book
£24.99
AP-1 Protractor
Standard Flying School Issue Protractor
£4.95
ANZP-1 Plotter with Rotating Protractor
£12.95
Southern England & Wales UK 1:500,000 VFR Chart - New Ed. 30 £13.99
CAP 413 - Radio telephony manual
£13.00
AS-2 Scale Rule 22cm (9 inch)
Scale markings in 1:500,000 & 1:250,000
£4.95
Some of these products may be found cheaper elsewhere, I just used one website for convenience. Happy hunting.
Stephen
My circumstances have changed a little since starting this post, I got a call from the CFI on Friday and they want me to start ASAP, and do my PPL in the States opposed to here as was originally planned. Before anyone posts a reply back saying "Be careful, popular wisdom always says do the PPL here" I've looked into and am going to be doing it to JAA standards but attaining a FAA qualification. This is in very busy airspace at a very busy airport so not that perturbed.
Consequently I'm going to have to source FAA material rather than JAA stuff. However this is what I found while doing my research. Buying a ready-made bag seems to be a waste of time, avoid it. Despite what I wrote earlier, Pratt’s books I have since found out seem to get a better score than Thoms.
I was planning on buying them from Amazon.co.uk (by far the cheapest) for £13.96 each. However I was only going to buy books 1, 2, 3 and 4 based on what I'd read that human factors and radio telephony are best covered in the PPL confuser and CAP 413 manual, so £55.84 so far
The confuser isn't available on Amazon, you'll have to source it yourself from wherever, approx. £22 I think.
I went onto ebay and found a guy selling a CRP 5 for £55. He also sells the Met CD for £45 and IFR and VFR + UK supplement Oxford CD's for a further £70 I think. He might be willing to do you a deal; he's easy to find.
All the following from flightstore.co.uk
Jeppesen European Professional Pilot Log Book
£24.99
AP-1 Protractor
Standard Flying School Issue Protractor
£4.95
ANZP-1 Plotter with Rotating Protractor
£12.95
Southern England & Wales UK 1:500,000 VFR Chart - New Ed. 30 £13.99
CAP 413 - Radio telephony manual
£13.00
AS-2 Scale Rule 22cm (9 inch)
Scale markings in 1:500,000 & 1:250,000
£4.95
Some of these products may be found cheaper elsewhere, I just used one website for convenience. Happy hunting.
Stephen
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Update
In response to a post on another similar thread started by PPRuNer, I have decided to answer his questions on this thread so not to clog up the forum.
PPRuNe member New Crew asked me who I used in the States for my flying training, I haven't started out yet, I was at Gatwick today (Monday the 22nd) for my Class 1 and was told I have passed it efectively although they have to wait for the Chest X-Rays to come back from the Radiologist. However the Consultant there told me there were no complications he could see and it looked OK. So over the moon on that front, not with the £340 ish I paid however.
Next stage was to book a seat on a Virgin Atlantic flight to LAX in early January next year. Some of you might have noticed I started another thread asking who was best to fly with out of all the carriers. Virgin won but I'll still probably fly BA on domestic flights here in the UK, 4 free shorts on each trip (if you remember to ask for a double when the bar comes along with the mini bottles), a bite to eat and an assigned, comfy seat with copious leg room (seats 11A/F and 12 A/F because of the emergency exits).
As for the Oxford CD-ROM's I read the magazine reviews linked from the Oxford website. Now its worthwhile to remember that Oxford etc. spend a lot of money advertsing with these magazines every year but one review in particular made good reading. The gist was although the CD's are very useful, there are a few minor omissions or errors, but on the whole they are good and get across the majority of the course but should be used in conjunction with books.
As for books I decided that I was going to use the Pratt ones if I did my PPL in the UK, as it happens I'm doing it in the US so will use the Jeppesen Manual instead. I either heard or read on here the Thom books were a little dry.
The flying school I'm about to start my internship program with is called Angel City Flyers based in Long Beach, Los Angeles, California.
http://www.digital-reality.co.uk/acf/
Hope I've answered your questions.
Stephen
PPRuNe member New Crew asked me who I used in the States for my flying training, I haven't started out yet, I was at Gatwick today (Monday the 22nd) for my Class 1 and was told I have passed it efectively although they have to wait for the Chest X-Rays to come back from the Radiologist. However the Consultant there told me there were no complications he could see and it looked OK. So over the moon on that front, not with the £340 ish I paid however.
Next stage was to book a seat on a Virgin Atlantic flight to LAX in early January next year. Some of you might have noticed I started another thread asking who was best to fly with out of all the carriers. Virgin won but I'll still probably fly BA on domestic flights here in the UK, 4 free shorts on each trip (if you remember to ask for a double when the bar comes along with the mini bottles), a bite to eat and an assigned, comfy seat with copious leg room (seats 11A/F and 12 A/F because of the emergency exits).
As for the Oxford CD-ROM's I read the magazine reviews linked from the Oxford website. Now its worthwhile to remember that Oxford etc. spend a lot of money advertsing with these magazines every year but one review in particular made good reading. The gist was although the CD's are very useful, there are a few minor omissions or errors, but on the whole they are good and get across the majority of the course but should be used in conjunction with books.
As for books I decided that I was going to use the Pratt ones if I did my PPL in the UK, as it happens I'm doing it in the US so will use the Jeppesen Manual instead. I either heard or read on here the Thom books were a little dry.
The flying school I'm about to start my internship program with is called Angel City Flyers based in Long Beach, Los Angeles, California.
http://www.digital-reality.co.uk/acf/
Hope I've answered your questions.
Stephen
