Logging PIC time when carrying certified pilot

[Agaricus bisporus]

Guys, what is so difficult about the fundamental concept that if you do not hold a valid licence/validation that allows you to fly the aircraft YOU CANNOT LOG THE TIME.

This is such basic, elementary stuff I'm astonished how often it comes up and all the imaginative ways people invent to blag sharp-pencil time they aren't entitled to.

What on earth are you thinking about going flying with an outfit that tells you that the "safety pilot" - actually P1, "will not be logging the time"?

Frankly, I'm gobsmacked by the whole debate.

[Ebbie 2003]

Simple - ssk the question of the regulator in Jordan and the renter.

"If there is an accident or incident and I am in the left hand seat, are you going to deem me or the locally certificated pilot in the right hand seat to be P1?"

If they BOTH say it's you the log the time - but I can't see how you can be, so far as they are concerned you are not certificated, I doubt if you could even log it as instruction time.

A further thought - the tentacles of US power reach far - maybe they would have a different view if you held an FAA PPL - ask, if it helps then get a piggy back FAA.

[mm_flynn]

Originally Posted by Agaricus bisporus

Guys, what is so difficult about the fundamental concept that if you do not hold a valid licence/validation that allows you to fly the aircraft YOU CANNOT LOG THE TIME.

Possibly because that 'fundamental concept' is not actually true with regard to half the aircraft operating in the world.

(As in FAA land where there are various circumstances that can result in two people being P1 at the same time and both logging time. Some involve an aspect where pilot A is not fully rated to fly the aircraft)

As a note, appendix 1 was not fully reproduced and the base paragraph seemed to imply there were 'validation' options available to the Jordanians at their discretion that addressed situations which did not fully comply with the appendix. So it is not at all clear to me if it is or is not legal to fly the aircraft as PIC nor who under Jordanian law is actually PIC.

[Odai]

I have sent an email to the licensing unit at CARC - will post here again when I get a response.

I get the feeling however that CARC are going to be OK with the arrangement while it won't actually adhere to EASA regulations.