Plane crash Caernarfon
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Trying to match the photos up with the google earth view, are the trees between the power lines and the undershoot or is it power line, then trees then undershoot.
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One picture shows power cables along the road
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Looking at how clear the approach is in 742's pic, you'd have wonder if a misunderstanding of what a displaced threshold actually is could not be ruled out
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Looks like runway 26 to me, the signs say that on the pics, I landed there in November and the caravan site, high trees and telegraph poles right at the end of the runway are a surprise
If the comment about this chap hitting trees is accurate, then he severely undershot, and the reasons for this could be many...
talkpedlar, why the " " ?
Regardless of what happened on this sad occasion, carb ice leading to loss of power and inability to maintain approach flight path is a logical sequence.
Regardless of what happened on this sad occasion, carb ice leading to loss of power and inability to maintain approach flight path is a logical sequence.
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If the pilot concerned was more used to flying a taper wing PA28, the different glide characteristics of the Hershey-bar wing could well have caught him by surprise, and led to a considerable undershoot. Difficult to imagine, short of engine problems, what else could have resulted in such a monumental FUBAR.
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Never flown in there but based on what i can see on google earth it looks like a fine
Re the above quote, read the posts from those of us who have been there.
I agree with Shaggy Sheep, makes sense what you say but as a first timer there I wasn't expecting what I found on finals, I could see how someone could be caught out with the displaced threshold though.
I agree with Shaggy Sheep, makes sense what you say but as a first timer there I wasn't expecting what I found on finals, I could see how someone could be caught out with the displaced threshold though.
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No real point in conjecture but there is no real reason ( barring exceptional circumstances ) why anyone should be flying shallow VFR glideslopes in GA aircraft with flaps. A bit of extra height might give you that safety cushion in case of the aircraft going tech on final.
This aeroplane appears to have undershot. There could well be a technical reason for that and I'm not saying the accident pilot was using flawed technique. But as a general point, perhaps a look back at that other thread in the light of this tragedy might be educational for those not yet convinced that PAPIs and VASIs (yes, I know there are none at Caernarfon) and 3 degree approaches are not appropriate for light VFR singles except under unusual cirmstances.
I await the AAIB report with interest.
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I don't see why everyone is getting the planes age involved. There is a lot of old planes and they all fly perfectly as long as they get they are checked regularly. The reason of the crash hasn't been mentioned yet so we can't blame the planes age.
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But as a general point, perhaps a look back at that other thread in the light of this tragedy might be educational for those not yet convinced that PAPIs and VASIs (yes, I know there are none at Caernarfon) and 3 degree approaches are not appropriate for light VFR singles except under unusual cirmstances.
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What studies have been done on wind turbine vortices?
The last I read, they didn't cause any additional turbulence.
What studies have been done on wind turbine vortices?
The last I read, they didn't cause any additional turbulence.
Have a look at
CAP 764: CAA Policy and Guidelines on Wind Turbines
In particular Chapter 2, section 8
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