GA crash near Welshpool
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This is very sad News.
As an elderly Aviator it is always a Deep sadness to loose a Colleague in the line of duty. Last year it was Jim Beaton and now Bob a seasoned professional.
Lets all be very carefull up there !
RIP Captain
As an elderly Aviator it is always a Deep sadness to loose a Colleague in the line of duty. Last year it was Jim Beaton and now Bob a seasoned professional.
Lets all be very carefull up there !
RIP Captain
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Knowing what a brilliant and careful pilot Bob was and the 10s of thousands hours he flew what chance does it give the rest of us?
Thats number 6 of good friends and pilots I knew well who have been lost to aviation
Welshpool was his love and I wonder what its future will hold without his passion to keep it going?
Still no news of who was with him?
Pace
Thats number 6 of good friends and pilots I knew well who have been lost to aviation
Welshpool was his love and I wonder what its future will hold without his passion to keep it going?
Still no news of who was with him?
Pace
Really sad and shocked to hear about Bob's death. Having flown with him and known him since I was young I always regarded him as true expert and vastly experienced professional.If it can happen to him it can happen to anyone.
He knew Welshpool better than anyone. His gentle demeanor and presence will be sorely missed.
Condolences to his family.
RIP Bob
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He knew Welshpool better than anyone. His gentle demeanor and presence will be sorely missed.
Condolences to his family.
RIP Bob
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This is really sad. I know very few people on the UK aviation scene but have met Bob many times - a great bloke.
What was the wx like there?
METAR EGOS 181250Z 27009KT 9999 FEW012 SCT023 BKN110 12/09 Q1020 WHT TEMPO SCT012 GRN (but that's Shawbury which is not among the hills)
METAR EGOS 181350Z 32008KT 9999 SCT012 BKN020 11/09 Q1020 GRN TEMPO FEW012 BKN020 WHT
What was the wx like there?
METAR EGOS 181250Z 27009KT 9999 FEW012 SCT023 BKN110 12/09 Q1020 WHT TEMPO SCT012 GRN (but that's Shawbury which is not among the hills)
METAR EGOS 181350Z 32008KT 9999 SCT012 BKN020 11/09 Q1020 GRN TEMPO FEW012 BKN020 WHT
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What was the wx like there?
I was told the weather was good there! Long Mountain clear of clouds, Light winds and good vis.
They took off from 04 two up so a bit of a mystery. He knew the aircraft like the back of his hand and they were light.
(but that's Shawbury which is not among the hills)
Only put this to warn pilots not to take Shawbury weather as Welshpools.
Can remember landing there when the runway had not been built alongside on the grass in a PA28 many moons ago As well as Bob on his tractor keeping the grass trim up until recently.
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I didn't know Bob but probably met him as I've flown the Chippy into Welshpool many times, including back in the day when it was Trehelig farm grass strip.
Very sad. Makes you wonder how this can happen to wise old pelicans like him in a familiar aircraft on what would seem to be a benign day.
Very sad. Makes you wonder how this can happen to wise old pelicans like him in a familiar aircraft on what would seem to be a benign day.
Indeed - the weather wasn't actually that good.
I thought it was CAVOK based on the weather here at Weasley Manor which is half an hour away. in fact there was some low cloud and mist around with drizzle at times in the Welshpool area.
I don't buy CFIT though.
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I thought it was CAVOK based on the weather here at Weasley Manor which is half an hour away. in fact there was some low cloud and mist around with drizzle at times in the Welshpool area.
I don't buy CFIT though.
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Knowing what a brilliant and careful pilot Bob was and the 10s of thousands hours he flew what chance does it give the rest of us?
Thats number 6 of good friends and pilots I knew well who have been lost to aviation
Thats number 6 of good friends and pilots I knew well who have been lost to aviation
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If it was off 04 then it came down about four miles to the right of the extended centreline.
Dad (for he is a trained met observer) reported "Nice winter's day" from a mile down the road - even if age has affected his eyesight, like WWW I don't buy CFIT.
But, maybe I just don't want to believe any of it, rather than causes I think remote.
Dad (for he is a trained met observer) reported "Nice winter's day" from a mile down the road - even if age has affected his eyesight, like WWW I don't buy CFIT.
But, maybe I just don't want to believe any of it, rather than causes I think remote.
CDUK
When I was flying Tornado/Fast Jets in the 90s we were losing 2-3 good blokes every year. One year there were 3 funerals on the same station - not good when there's only 70-80 flyers at the same location. How do you reconcile that? Well, nearly every accident is different, there's mechanical failure, sensory illusions, controlled flight into terrain, uncontrolled flight into terrain and other human factors to add to the mix. Just as in car accidents these things happen and they will continue to do so - life is all about risk and managing it as best you can. If you think it's too risky then don't do it and save it for another day.
I didn't know Bob well, although I have been to Welshpool, but it's always tougher when the good guys go. RIP and I hope we find out what happened so that the rest of us left have a better chance of staying on this earth.
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Indeed, what does it say about the chances? Tell me, Pace, when you see such losses from among your own acquaintances, how do you rationalise the decision to keep flying? I've read all the posts about how safe is flying. But, when it's personal for you, how do you keep going? One sees reports of car accidents all the time, but thank goodness I've not had known anyone with personal involvement so I can just digest the stats and reassure myself that driving is rational. But, the stats must be meaningless to you when you have personal connections with such frequency and these are pilots who experienced and esteemed
I didn't know Bob well, although I have been to Welshpool, but it's always tougher when the good guys go. RIP and I hope we find out what happened so that the rest of us left have a better chance of staying on this earth.
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We dont yet know who the other occupant was? A pilot? a passenger?
Charlie Delta
I think as pilots we always look for a pilot who was an accident waiting to happen or an aircraft waiting to happen or a flying occupation we would never consider as then we can rationalise that we are far better! Its unlikely to happen to us and that makes us feel better.
When the pilot is highly respected for his professionalism and care as with Bob Jones it becomes much harder to chew.
Even Hill walking the Scottish mountains has a high death rate! What do you do? Lock the doors to your home and have a boring life?
My other passion Scuba Diving has its own regular fatalities.
We can only learn and move on because there is nothing else you can do.
Pace
We dont yet know who the other occupant was? A pilot? a passenger?
Charlie Delta
I think as pilots we always look for a pilot who was an accident waiting to happen or an aircraft waiting to happen or a flying occupation we would never consider as then we can rationalise that we are far better! Its unlikely to happen to us and that makes us feel better.
When the pilot is highly respected for his professionalism and care as with Bob Jones it becomes much harder to chew.
Even Hill walking the Scottish mountains has a high death rate! What do you do? Lock the doors to your home and have a boring life?
My other passion Scuba Diving has its own regular fatalities.
We can only learn and move on because there is nothing else you can do.
Pace
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10 years ago on a flying holiday out of Welshpool I got stranded with an engine problem over at Sleap. Bob Jones, who I'd known for about 3 days, dropped everything and jumped in a C172 to come and rescue my passenger (as it happens, Whirlybird, another Pprune forum regular) and I.
I ended up with a C172 checkout, courtesy of Bob, out of the day on the way back.
A very pleasant and capable man who ran his little airport very well, and was very generous of spirit. I didn't know him well, but have nothing but good views of him.
My deepest sympathies to all of his closer friends, and his family. And of-course deepest sympathies to all of the friends and family of the other pilot on board, who I wasn't privileged to know.
G
I ended up with a C172 checkout, courtesy of Bob, out of the day on the way back.
A very pleasant and capable man who ran his little airport very well, and was very generous of spirit. I didn't know him well, but have nothing but good views of him.
My deepest sympathies to all of his closer friends, and his family. And of-course deepest sympathies to all of the friends and family of the other pilot on board, who I wasn't privileged to know.
G
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