Unfortunate example of a classic VMc crash at low level in a twin.
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I would always get the twin now. But then again i do have way way more hours in them than I do singles.
The PT6 421 thankyou very much.
And its not to say twins are bad but to actually get your poo together with them isn't really done in the 5 hours MEP training. You need to bang away with the single engine work as well and not just once a year for the test.
The PT6 421 thankyou very much.
And its not to say twins are bad but to actually get your poo together with them isn't really done in the 5 hours MEP training. You need to bang away with the single engine work as well and not just once a year for the test.
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Tell me honestly and truthfully, 421C, would you rather have a 421C or a TBM850?
If I said all SEPs were carp, and asked you, honestly, wouldn't you rather have a Citation Mustang or a King Air 250 than a TB20, what point would my question serve?
However, I am not saying that. I like SEPs. I also like MEPs.
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And I wasn't having a go at you.
Just the comparison between a MEP 421C and a turbine single isn't really sporting.
And personally if it was the 421 with PT6's I would go for that instead of the TBM850.
Just the comparison between a MEP 421C and a turbine single isn't really sporting.
And personally if it was the 421 with PT6's I would go for that instead of the TBM850.
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Gentlemen, gentlemen, you're arguing over all these inferior things like the 421C and the TBM, when all you really should be talking about is the Turbo Commander 695.
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Now, I'm a high wing aficionado so not really objective. But surely, when a high wing sits way behind the cabin like it does on the Commander and many other bigger types, then the one gripe - obscured visibility in a turn - is no longer a factor. So why are people so hot for low wings when all it brings is headaches? Hard to keep clean, belly rashes, prop strikes, painful entry end exit, can't land at fields with high grass on sides, etc, etc. You've just made your life 10 times harder for zero benefit.
I have a social theory in regards to aircraft ownership, and it's firmly tongue in cheek, but with a dollop of truth, me thinks:
Many young private pilots become pilots because they want to impress and be cool (I've certainly met more of those than any other category amongst the younger hopefuls) and I probably - although I'd never admit it - might have belonged to that category myself when I got started. You will find that most PPL candidates are normally in the "nerdy" category and presumably might not have had the same pull as the school jock or rock kid in a band with the ladies, so this is in their minds a good way to even the field a bit, firmly ignoring the fact that 99% of the women I've met are;
a) not impressed, and
b) don't want to ride in the damn thing anyway.
One is much more likely to impress another nerdy bloke by mentioning it than ever getting some female admiration out of it. That's my experience, at least. Not that I ever mention it, of course.
Part of this desire to be a ravishing pilot takes the form of being seen as flying in an aircraft that resembles the big iron as much as possible, for maximum admiration. A bit like attaching a Halfords wing to a Corsa, or putting fake carbon fibre weave tape to your wooden Allegro dashboard or building a kit car replica of a Lamborghini. And since most of the big iron is low wing, this is what people like and emulate. Cirrus owes it's entire sale to this very sentiment. They also associate high wing with their days slogging around the circuit in that dog of a 172.
Further evidence - whenever someone comes along this forum asking for what aircraft is best to buy for a given mission bla bla, the answer pretty much always ends up being a C182. Notice the huge resistance to those answers from most of the people that ask that question. Why? Because it doesn't look like a cool, slick airplane. In fact, it looks like a damn C172!
I will now endeavour to start a petition and campaign to stop the racism against high wings! They're airplanes, too!
I have a social theory in regards to aircraft ownership, and it's firmly tongue in cheek, but with a dollop of truth, me thinks:
Many young private pilots become pilots because they want to impress and be cool (I've certainly met more of those than any other category amongst the younger hopefuls) and I probably - although I'd never admit it - might have belonged to that category myself when I got started.
You will find that most PPL candidates are normally in the "nerdy" category and presumably might not have had the same pull as the school jock or rock kid in a band with the ladies, so this is in their minds a good way to even the field a bit, firmly ignoring the fact that 99% of the women I've met are;a) not impressed, and
b) don't want to ride in the damn thing anyway.
One is much more likely to impress another nerdy bloke by mentioning it than ever getting some female admiration out of it. That's my experience, at least. Not that I ever mention it, of course.
Part of this desire to be a ravishing pilot takes the form of being seen as flying in an aircraft that resembles the big iron as much as possible, for maximum admiration. A bit like attaching a Halfords wing to a Corsa, or putting fake carbon fibre weave tape to your wooden Allegro dashboard or building a kit car replica of a Lamborghini. And since most of the big iron is low wing, this is what people like and emulate. Cirrus owes it's entire sale to this very sentiment. They also associate high wing with their days slogging around the circuit in that dog of a 172.
Further evidence - whenever someone comes along this forum asking for what aircraft is best to buy for a given mission bla bla, the answer pretty much always ends up being a C182. Notice the huge resistance to those answers from most of the people that ask that question. Why? Because it doesn't look like a cool, slick airplane. In fact, it looks like a damn C172!
I will now endeavour to start a petition and campaign to stop the racism against high wings! They're airplanes, too!
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So why are people so hot for low wings when all it brings is headaches? Hard to keep clean, belly rashes, prop strikes, painful entry end exit, can't land at fields with high grass on sides, etc, etc. You've just made your life 10 times harder for zero benefit.
Its a dirty perversion but you can get help for it Adam.
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Sounds like the same excuses a certain FO I have flown with for many years says about his liasons with the local weight watchers club, and he likes plenty of grass on the sides and certainly doesn't mind the older models.
