Letting my passenger land the aircraft?
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I have to say I am deeply disturbed by the lack of knowledge of some of the posters.
MJ and Ghengis have made the point about PIC well enough, but as a further thought, at 70 hours and nearly taking the skills test, presumably the lady has landed an aeroplane SOLO quite a number of times.
Whether allowing her to land a different type without an instructor present is sensible (I tend to think not), or whether it is covered by insurance, it is not nearly as high risk as allowing someone with zero experience to do so.
This is why we are PIC qualified, to make judgments.
MJ and Ghengis have made the point about PIC well enough, but as a further thought, at 70 hours and nearly taking the skills test, presumably the lady has landed an aeroplane SOLO quite a number of times.
Whether allowing her to land a different type without an instructor present is sensible (I tend to think not), or whether it is covered by insurance, it is not nearly as high risk as allowing someone with zero experience to do so.
This is why we are PIC qualified, to make judgments.
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thats the crux PACE the insurance. And from experence they are fine with it as long as you tell them before the event.
A slight correction though you can have a crew on a PA28.
Student and instructor are counted as crew.
This allows the instructor to be over 90 days for 3 TO and Landings and the night requirement if they don't have an IR because the student isn't counted as PAX.
But if you say took a 4 seater up for a TF you couldn't have anyone in the back.
And just to make sure this is only valid for G reg in UK airspace. Any other reg has to comply with the most restrictive rules of both the registration state and the UK. So if say the FAR's don't let you do it in a N reg and its in UK air space that doesn't mean you can follow the information given.
A slight correction though you can have a crew on a PA28.
Student and instructor are counted as crew.
This allows the instructor to be over 90 days for 3 TO and Landings and the night requirement if they don't have an IR because the student isn't counted as PAX.
But if you say took a 4 seater up for a TF you couldn't have anyone in the back.
And just to make sure this is only valid for G reg in UK airspace. Any other reg has to comply with the most restrictive rules of both the registration state and the UK. So if say the FAR's don't let you do it in a N reg and its in UK air space that doesn't mean you can follow the information given.
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I encourage all my passengers to have a pole around at altitude, and a couple of them have even flown circuits with a go around at 100' rather than landing it. I would certainly consider coaching a passenger through a landing if I felt the passenger was good enough.
All this though is 'on my head' as at no point am I not the commander of the aircraft. I am responsible for the actions of whoever is handling the aeroplane so treat the situation with the appropriate gravity.
In response to the original post, I would have no problem with letting a passenger who is on the verge of qualifying land a PA28 if the conditions were not particularly challenging (wind/runway length/busy circuit paermitting). Its also not that challenging to swap seats or high to low wing like some posters have suggested. A few demo landings should be all the passenger needs to appreciate the new 'picture'.
There does appear to be a little confusion between what 'Pilot in command' and 'person handling the controls' means. If you are the PIC when you take off, at no point does your passenger become PIC even if you give them control for the entire flight.
All this though is 'on my head' as at no point am I not the commander of the aircraft. I am responsible for the actions of whoever is handling the aeroplane so treat the situation with the appropriate gravity.
In response to the original post, I would have no problem with letting a passenger who is on the verge of qualifying land a PA28 if the conditions were not particularly challenging (wind/runway length/busy circuit paermitting). Its also not that challenging to swap seats or high to low wing like some posters have suggested. A few demo landings should be all the passenger needs to appreciate the new 'picture'.
There does appear to be a little confusion between what 'Pilot in command' and 'person handling the controls' means. If you are the PIC when you take off, at no point does your passenger become PIC even if you give them control for the entire flight.
