Flight to Sudan - Critique my plan!
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Hi there Nick,
Was it you that I flew with at Netherthorpe (G-CCYS)? Or an instructor with a similar name?
My plan was to wear my suit fully on, perhaps just with the zip undone, on the long water legs. My passengers could wear them half on, as they'd have more time to get them on in an emergency; my hands, in that situation, would be a bit full.
Backpacker; great!
Was it you that I flew with at Netherthorpe (G-CCYS)? Or an instructor with a similar name?
My plan was to wear my suit fully on, perhaps just with the zip undone, on the long water legs. My passengers could wear them half on, as they'd have more time to get them on in an emergency; my hands, in that situation, would be a bit full.
Backpacker; great!
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Katamarino,
Must be a different Nick; I fly from WW just outside London and only as a low hr pilot, (just passed IMCr)
Would love to hear how you get on with your trip
Good luck,
Nick
Must be a different Nick; I fly from WW just outside London and only as a low hr pilot, (just passed IMCr)
Would love to hear how you get on with your trip
Good luck,
Nick
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My plan was to wear my suit fully on, perhaps just with the zip undone, on the long water legs. My passengers could wear them half on, as they'd have more time to get them on in an emergency; my hands, in that situation, would be a bit full.
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Kat,
along Cannes - Scalea, if you are comfortable with 550m grass you can stop at Sabaudia, I'll take you out to lunch. They also have fuel. Also I wouldn't spend a day off at Scalea, nothing to see or do.
Scalea to Sitia, you could stop at Zante, but check opening hours.
Dubrovnik (worth a day stay) to Salzburg, you could stop at Pula or Portroz.
along Cannes - Scalea, if you are comfortable with 550m grass you can stop at Sabaudia, I'll take you out to lunch. They also have fuel. Also I wouldn't spend a day off at Scalea, nothing to see or do.
Scalea to Sitia, you could stop at Zante, but check opening hours.
Dubrovnik (worth a day stay) to Salzburg, you could stop at Pula or Portroz.
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Mmm, is "pretty sure" enough?
AE, thanks! I'll have a look, and be in touch
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Sitia
I may be a bit late but just be careful re your planning at Sitia, they only sell fuel between something like 7am and 9am or something silly like that and no avgas at LGIR so a little knowledge can save you being held up for the day.
USD is the most commonly accepted currency once you
get into Africa and you will need a big handful in Luxor and Khartoum.
BE CAREFUL OF SUDANESE EUROCONTROL SCAM!!!!
They try and hit you up for airnav fees.
If you intend to fully don an immersion suit, how are you going to change radio stations with fingers like a baby elephant?
If the trip hasnt happened yet, PM me, I have loads more usefull tit bits
and can assist with any charts, contacts etc you may need en route.
Im home for the next couple of days if I can help.
USD is the most commonly accepted currency once you
get into Africa and you will need a big handful in Luxor and Khartoum.
BE CAREFUL OF SUDANESE EUROCONTROL SCAM!!!!
They try and hit you up for airnav fees.
If you intend to fully don an immersion suit, how are you going to change radio stations with fingers like a baby elephant?
If the trip hasnt happened yet, PM me, I have loads more usefull tit bits
and can assist with any charts, contacts etc you may need en route.
Im home for the next couple of days if I can help.
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Thanks Debiassi; we're in Luxor right now, we found out about Sitia's slightly strange opening hours 
Currently, we're missing two Maule fuel caps (are they interchangeable with C172 ones?), and have no idea whether we're getting into Sudan or not!
Currently, we're missing two Maule fuel caps (are they interchangeable with C172 ones?), and have no idea whether we're getting into Sudan or not!
Hi, fuel caps are identical to Cessna ones - no problem.
For the clearance, the hot tip is not to make two completely separate demands giving differing reasons for flight!
At the moment, everything is blocked...
Fly safe (north or south), Sam;
For the clearance, the hot tip is not to make two completely separate demands giving differing reasons for flight!
At the moment, everything is blocked...
Fly safe (north or south), Sam;
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I don't recall having any trouble in Dubrovnik. It was just difficult to find a hotel in or near the old city, due to the number of tourists.
Croatia runs very smoothly, and I've flown there many times. I am just a bit sad they are joining the EU, because they will now get a mass of crap to comply with. I hope they just do what some other countries (not a million miles away from them) do: ignore most of it
Croatia runs very smoothly, and I've flown there many times. I am just a bit sad they are joining the EU, because they will now get a mass of crap to comply with. I hope they just do what some other countries (not a million miles away from them) do: ignore most of it
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We got stitched for $100 for using the handlers van.
The old town really is quite special and is on my list of places to go back for.
Also as well just off the coast is where all the med white sharks breed.
The old town really is quite special and is on my list of places to go back for.
Also as well just off the coast is where all the med white sharks breed.
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charts/sudan
Hello Katamarino,
I'm planning a (ferry)flight from Netherlands to Ethiopia, so basically the same destination as you did. I'm struggling at the moment to get charts. Where did you get yours? I tried to order ONC online, and I tried with Transair UK, but both negative.
How was your experience with Sudan, since everyone advices me to take the detour via Saudi Arabia (Avgas not available, problem) and Djibouti?
I'm planning a (ferry)flight from Netherlands to Ethiopia, so basically the same destination as you did. I'm struggling at the moment to get charts. Where did you get yours? I tried to order ONC online, and I tried with Transair UK, but both negative.
How was your experience with Sudan, since everyone advices me to take the detour via Saudi Arabia (Avgas not available, problem) and Djibouti?
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Hi Afpilot,
We never actually got into Sudan; the aircraft owner made a mess of the permits so we got no further than Luxor!
As for charts, I used the African Low Level enroute IFR charts for flight in Egypt; they will tell you to fly via airways and IFR reporting points anyway, so you'll want to have these IFR charts. For VFR, if you really want the charts, you could try Onc Chart at Stanfords which is where I got one of mine.
And, if you want a co-pilot, let me know
We never actually got into Sudan; the aircraft owner made a mess of the permits so we got no further than Luxor!
As for charts, I used the African Low Level enroute IFR charts for flight in Egypt; they will tell you to fly via airways and IFR reporting points anyway, so you'll want to have these IFR charts. For VFR, if you really want the charts, you could try Onc Chart at Stanfords which is where I got one of mine.
And, if you want a co-pilot, let me know
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When people refer to "clearances" for certain African countries what exactly is being referred to?
Obviously if one wants to fly to France or Spain for example there is no such thing...in what way do countries that require them differ, is it an immigration thing or just permission to enter their airspace?
Obviously if one wants to fly to France or Spain for example there is no such thing...in what way do countries that require them differ, is it an immigration thing or just permission to enter their airspace?
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Practically everywhere outside civilisation (i.e. outside USA, Europe, Australia, etc) you need overflight permits, and landing permits.
These are ostensibly arranged via the country's aviation ministry, but the process is usually unworkable. I spent several months trying to get an Egyptioan one sorted, for Luxor.
So everybody doing ad hoc flights uses "overflight agents", who have contacts who "lubricate" things, and since virtually the entire 3rd world is thoroughly crooked and corrupt, this is the only practical method. I was offered all the papers for £70 per person, done within 24 hours. I've got links to several agents' websites, though I cannot personally speak for any of them.
The bigger flight support services like Jeppesen also arrange this kind of stuff, in addition to black art like Eurocontrol route development Prices start at a few hundred quid a month.
These are ostensibly arranged via the country's aviation ministry, but the process is usually unworkable. I spent several months trying to get an Egyptioan one sorted, for Luxor.
So everybody doing ad hoc flights uses "overflight agents", who have contacts who "lubricate" things, and since virtually the entire 3rd world is thoroughly crooked and corrupt, this is the only practical method. I was offered all the papers for £70 per person, done within 24 hours. I've got links to several agents' websites, though I cannot personally speak for any of them.
The bigger flight support services like Jeppesen also arrange this kind of stuff, in addition to black art like Eurocontrol route development
Prices start at a few hundred quid a month.
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IO540 has it in one. The majority of countries outside the 1st world, and even some in the 1st world, have plenty of bureaucratic barriers to private aircraft even passing through. I believe Australia can be very difficult about private aircraft arriving without the right hoops jumped through.
In Egypt, for example, every single flight needed a permit (with associated number to be quoted on the flight plan) from the military. Our handling agents organised this for $25 a time.
In Egypt, for example, every single flight needed a permit (with associated number to be quoted on the flight plan) from the military. Our handling agents organised this for $25 a time.
Flight clearances
We fly light aircraft (and helicopters) regularly all over Africa (and frequently throught Sudan and Ethiopia to/from Cape Town).
Let me know if we can help (clearances, handling and avgas).
Fly safe, Sam.
Let me know if we can help (clearances, handling and avgas).
Fly safe, Sam.