Caution: New rules for private flights to Austria!

[jxc]

That road tax is a rip off, they should do a 1 day Vignette Hungary maybe the UK should charge all foreign trucks and cars
Sorry rant over

[maxmobil]

@silvaire,

to be fair you should add that the extra fee for the two passes was probably for "grossglockner" and the freeway across "hohe tauern". One being a mountain pass that can be kept open only half the year and the other a freeway with tunnels and protective measures against avalanches, all very expensive to maintain. I guess the road to "pike's peak" is not free either.

Ever went to German Freeway gas stations? Pay 0,7 EUR to go to the loo, pee for free in Austria instead.

Austria is a beautiful and great place to live and visit, in spite of taxes and other burdens, but free health system, affordable museums (compare these to UK) and other amenities are also worth mentioning.

The best of all is a VFR flight through the alps, tax free

[proudprivate]

Let's say I want to fly UK to Vienna (to attend a course on cellar construction).

Cellar construction courses are given at LOLG, not at LOWW. It would therefore be exempt of the new tax. LZTN is the usual alternate.

The well known course on cellar construction near EBCI has been shut down a while ago.

[mutt]

1. before the first departure from an airport in Austria:
Find a tax representative (I know one) and send the registration form to the relevant tax office in Austria (or let the taxrep send it)

We flew into Vienna earlier this month, we spent a lot on landing fees, handling fees, catering, transport, hotels........ and now you want us to pay 8 Euro per passenger and A FEE TO THE TAX AGENT? Why can't it just be added to the airport charges without an expensive middle man?

Mutt

[Jan Olieslagers]

Ever went to German Freeway gas stations? Pay 0,7 EUR to go to the loo, pee for free in Austria instead.

There may be subtle differences between a German hedge and an Austrian, but I failed to observe any over several decades of road travel. Of course hedges and other accommodation are far more enjoyable in France and Italy, but then we can't expect to have everything.

[maxmobil]

@mutt: Why can't it just be added to the airport charges without an expensive middle man?

After studying the fairly stupid law and the crazy procedure I have to admit that this is the one question everybody has to come up with.
I don't know, I am sure nobody knows.

I am offering You advice and translation for free, and I can act as Your tax rep if needed (not for free) but I certainly didn't invent the tax.



@jan: the price for reverse drinking is about the same in Belgie if I recall my De Haan holiday correctly, but that's already long ago, must be almost a week now.
How's the vilvoorde viaduct file doing in daily traffic?

[Jan Olieslagers]

I certainly didn't invent the tax

But could you swear you didn't vote for them that did?

The price for reverse drinking is about the same in Belgie if I recall my De Haan holiday correctly, but that's already long ago, must be almost a week now.

As a rich person from a rich country, you shouldn't complain if you choose to stay in the most expensive region of another rich country, and that in plain tourist season. But I much like your terminology, "reverse drinking" has been added to my dictionary of colloquial English. Not sure if it's going to help achieve my level 6 proficiency (profficiency?) , though.

How's the vilvoorde viaduct file doing in daily traffic?

Not too bad, the traffic jams are not much longer than they used to be. We Belgians are great side-steppers, though, the secondary roads below are quite crowded, and will be for the next couple of months.

[IO540]

What I cannot understand is why Austria does not collect this tax via the airport, or why it simply doesn't increase its route charges which are collected by Eurocontrol on behalf of each country.

[maxmobil]

@IO540: Nobody does..
Especially as the justification for the tax as "general aviation did not pay taxes so far" is totally wrong as you know

@Jan: Being married to a Belgian woman I hope the "sidestepping" refers only to driving ;-)

[Jan Olieslagers]

I've heard (and once participated in) pictoresque exchanges on 126,9, too - you'll appreciate my reluctancy to elaborate in the public domain. But as yet none were related to marital or ex-marital frolics.

[mutt]

I can act as Your tax rep if needed (not for free)

We carried 3 passengers, so owed 24Euro..... but I'm really curious as to how much we have to pay in total considering the tax rep wont be acting for free

Mutt

[maxmobil]

The only tax rep I know of charges 250.- setup fee and 50% of the taxes, allegedly plus 100.- monthly.

I consider this as too expensive and am figuring out a different scheme depending on number of movements/tax declarations irrespective of pax numbers as 1 or 50 pax cause the same amount of work. I won't charge for periods without flights. But for quotes I need the access to the online system first, hopefully next week.

Cheers,
Max

[mutt]

So a 24 euro charge turns into 1462 Euro....... Amazing system

Mutt

[maxmobil]

Exactly.

That's the reason why I think a different (read: more reasonable) scheme might be appreciated.

"Buy You a drink" does not qualify, however ;-)


If anybody needs a translation to fill in the famous Form "Flug9" it's here:

11 FIRMENWORTLAUT (oder Nachname, Vorname) = COMPANY NAME (or SURNAME and given name of aircraft owner)
SHAKESPEARE William
12 österr. Steuernummer wenn vorhanden = Austrian tax number (if applicable)
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13 UID-Nummer = VAT number (if applicable)
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14 österr. Firmenbuchnummer wenn vorhanden = Austrian company register number (if applicable)
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21 Strasse = Street
Downing Street
22 Hausnummer = Number
10
23 Stiege = Stair (if applicable)
-
24 Tür = Door number (if applicable)
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25 Land (Autokennzeichen) = Country (int. Car code, e.g. GB for Great Britain)
GB
26 Ort = City
London
27 Postleitzahl = ZIP
SW1A 2AA
28 Telefon = Phone number incl. Internat. Area code
[phone]