All of you...suggest a plane
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Hello All,
I am about to get my PPL re-validated and want to get myself "a new toy" (to use the wife's words)...and I want your help..
I want to get my own aircraft (or be part of a group) but am really confused on the typr I should go for....
Really I am after an Aerobatic Tourer (if such a plane exists) so that I can take the family up (Me plus 1 and 1/2...so 4 seater unnecessary), yet still go and beat up the sky on weekends (this is what I reaaalllly like)....a single seat Pitts is great for the aerobatic type of thing, but the talking baggage is a problem...and a Warrior is great for the talking baggage, but not for "Me wanna go up and beat up Cumulus".
Wood is good....retracts are great, but I accept that I will have to make some sacrifices....Homebuilt has too many regulatory limitations (vfr day only, cannot fly over settlements)....everyone, tell me what you think.....
Thanks
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I am about to get my PPL re-validated and want to get myself "a new toy" (to use the wife's words)...and I want your help..
I want to get my own aircraft (or be part of a group) but am really confused on the typr I should go for....
Really I am after an Aerobatic Tourer (if such a plane exists) so that I can take the family up (Me plus 1 and 1/2...so 4 seater unnecessary), yet still go and beat up the sky on weekends (this is what I reaaalllly like)....a single seat Pitts is great for the aerobatic type of thing, but the talking baggage is a problem...and a Warrior is great for the talking baggage, but not for "Me wanna go up and beat up Cumulus".
Wood is good....retracts are great, but I accept that I will have to make some sacrifices....Homebuilt has too many regulatory limitations (vfr day only, cannot fly over settlements)....everyone, tell me what you think.....
Thanks
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Stuka with optional jump seat?
Stukas not available in nice colour schemes, so instead perhaps try Beagle Pup 150 with spinning weights fitted and maybe long range tanks (which take the fuel capacity up to 36 gals: it burns 7 an hour at 100 kts: not sure if you are allowed to have the spinny bits and the extra tanks at the same time). OK, you can think of faster, longer range tourers with better load capacity, and of course far more capable aeros machines, but not many that can do a bit of both. Flyer Mag did a head to head test between Pup and PA28 a year or so ago with the verdict being: "Spamcan savaged by Ancient Brit". I just rent the ones I fly, so can't tell you much about the (allegedly) heinous costs of the bits that fall off and the wacky maintenance schedules, but contributors such as Beagler might be able to give you some clues on that.
Stukas not available in nice colour schemes, so instead perhaps try Beagle Pup 150 with spinning weights fitted and maybe long range tanks (which take the fuel capacity up to 36 gals: it burns 7 an hour at 100 kts: not sure if you are allowed to have the spinny bits and the extra tanks at the same time). OK, you can think of faster, longer range tourers with better load capacity, and of course far more capable aeros machines, but not many that can do a bit of both. Flyer Mag did a head to head test between Pup and PA28 a year or so ago with the verdict being: "Spamcan savaged by Ancient Brit". I just rent the ones I fly, so can't tell you much about the (allegedly) heinous costs of the bits that fall off and the wacky maintenance schedules, but contributors such as Beagler might be able to give you some clues on that.
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Ivan...
You have just described a Pup 150!
This must be the MG of the flying world... British engineered, noisier than the Mondeo (Warrior), limited load carrying ability but one hell of a lot of fun out on those open windy country roads wearing your cravat stopping off for a half of old badgers piss.
Without the spinning weights you will still feel the need to go and beat up the clouds in the evening or Sunday morning.
Can carry 33 stones (remember them?) for 3.5 hours at 100 kts so touring should be possible unless you are all built like Biffa Bacon!
Long range tanks aren't relly needed... after 3 hours you are ready for a pee.
Make sure that you invest in a Pup with all the ADs up to date (particularly wing spars)and only use a single maintainer who is familiar with the Pup ways.
The only problem should be in locating minor parts, but I am hoping that with the retirement of the Bulldogs the RAF maintenance wings should start offloading their stocks onto the market.
Locating the bits can be part of the fun with the reward of flying something a little bit different.
Go and try one... they are a **** load of fun... If you like have a go in mine ... just give me a call sometime.
You have just described a Pup 150!
This must be the MG of the flying world... British engineered, noisier than the Mondeo (Warrior), limited load carrying ability but one hell of a lot of fun out on those open windy country roads wearing your cravat stopping off for a half of old badgers piss.
Without the spinning weights you will still feel the need to go and beat up the clouds in the evening or Sunday morning.
Can carry 33 stones (remember them?) for 3.5 hours at 100 kts so touring should be possible unless you are all built like Biffa Bacon!
Long range tanks aren't relly needed... after 3 hours you are ready for a pee.
Make sure that you invest in a Pup with all the ADs up to date (particularly wing spars)and only use a single maintainer who is familiar with the Pup ways.
The only problem should be in locating minor parts, but I am hoping that with the retirement of the Bulldogs the RAF maintenance wings should start offloading their stocks onto the market.
Locating the bits can be part of the fun with the reward of flying something a little bit different.
Go and try one... they are a **** load of fun... If you like have a go in mine ... just give me a call sometime.
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Apart from the already mentioned Pup 150 and the Fuji, the only other (semi) aerobatic tourers I can think of are: a) the aerobatic version of the Beech Bonanza (yes really) and b) the venerable Jackeroo (if you can persuade someone to sell you one of the few remaining). There's one at Rush Green and it is an absolute beauty but I'm fairly certain it's not for sale.....
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Yak 18T is a 4 seat tourer with earo. capability as it is a development of the Yak 52. As far as I know, Yak engins are limited to 750h and than £13k or so for a new engine. The same with a Yak 52.
For a tourer I would go for a Piper Comanche. Very fast easy to fly (but make sure to have a very good conversion) and not expancive to keep.
For a tourer I would go for a Piper Comanche. Very fast easy to fly (but make sure to have a very good conversion) and not expancive to keep.
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Thanks guys for the war reception,
I didn't think anyone had replied...until i realised that i hadn't checked my 'notify by mail' box....
Also I was busy in the wannabes forum (just check it out - same question, but have a look at the responses, it led to a bit of an arguement)
Beagler, unfortunately Biffa Bacon is my middle name....19 stone and counting....down hopefully....
I have seen a couple of these Stelio Frati designs like the Falco, they look nice anybody any experience?
What's the Pup like compared top the Bulldog?
Cheers
Neil Ivanovich
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I didn't think anyone had replied...until i realised that i hadn't checked my 'notify by mail' box....
Also I was busy in the wannabes forum (just check it out - same question, but have a look at the responses, it led to a bit of an arguement)
Beagler, unfortunately Biffa Bacon is my middle name....19 stone and counting....down hopefully....
I have seen a couple of these Stelio Frati designs like the Falco, they look nice anybody any experience?
What's the Pup like compared top the Bulldog?
Cheers
Neil Ivanovich
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Sounds like you're a big lad... you'll find plenty of room in the cockpit, a lot more space than the average Cessna and Piper and you get your own door.
Bulldog... similar airframe, 200 hp fuel injected engine with a wobbly prop.
Probably be happier with your 19 stone.
Again has a roomy interior to accomodate military parachutes and bone domes.
One of our group instructs on Bulldogs in a University Air Squadron so I'll ask him when I see him.
Bulldog... similar airframe, 200 hp fuel injected engine with a wobbly prop.
Probably be happier with your 19 stone.
Again has a roomy interior to accomodate military parachutes and bone domes.
One of our group instructs on Bulldogs in a University Air Squadron so I'll ask him when I see him.
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Comparisons between Pup 150 and Bulldog:-
Control layout and handling generally quite similar, and circuit/approach speeds the same. Doggie even crisper in turns than Pup. Max performance turns particularly fun: yeeeeowwwww, watch that accelerometer go, baby.
Bulldog a bit heavier, so even more inclined than Pup to develop dramatic sink rate on final if not watched.
Bulldog generally a lot more punchy: good for short fields (Pup 150 less so, Pup 100, forget it: needs more runway than a Jaguar) Much, much better than Pup in the climb, and more stable in cruise (Pup can be a bit twitchy compared to a spamcan, but that's cos it is a proper aeroplane, to the extent that any trike ever can be).
Other features: Dog has great viz with bubble canopy (remember yer factor 97 suncream). A bit easier to get into and out of than Pup (which is only easy if you are into limbo dancing).
Drawbacks of Bulldog: silly military parts cost silly military prices. You can't put a seat in the back, tho there is plenty of room for one and probably wouldn't muck up weight & balance v much. No doubt owners/operators could list more.
Starting the beast requires at least three hands (good prep for future wobbletopping?) and can be a bit of a mission when its hot.
Conclusions: Dog delightful but dear. Pup perky and positively palatable. The comparison made above to British classic motors (though I would have said Triumph, not MG, for reasons of purely personal prejudice) is not unreasonable.
Control layout and handling generally quite similar, and circuit/approach speeds the same. Doggie even crisper in turns than Pup. Max performance turns particularly fun: yeeeeowwwww, watch that accelerometer go, baby.
Bulldog a bit heavier, so even more inclined than Pup to develop dramatic sink rate on final if not watched.
Bulldog generally a lot more punchy: good for short fields (Pup 150 less so, Pup 100, forget it: needs more runway than a Jaguar) Much, much better than Pup in the climb, and more stable in cruise (Pup can be a bit twitchy compared to a spamcan, but that's cos it is a proper aeroplane, to the extent that any trike ever can be).
Other features: Dog has great viz with bubble canopy (remember yer factor 97 suncream). A bit easier to get into and out of than Pup (which is only easy if you are into limbo dancing).
Drawbacks of Bulldog: silly military parts cost silly military prices. You can't put a seat in the back, tho there is plenty of room for one and probably wouldn't muck up weight & balance v much. No doubt owners/operators could list more.
Starting the beast requires at least three hands (good prep for future wobbletopping?) and can be a bit of a mission when its hot.
Conclusions: Dog delightful but dear. Pup perky and positively palatable. The comparison made above to British classic motors (though I would have said Triumph, not MG, for reasons of purely personal prejudice) is not unreasonable.
