Demise of LARS
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Brilliant... I tapped my passenger on his shoulder and pointed to the 4 o'clock... he jumped out of his skin as the Boeing came up and right across our bow at our height.
Don't know to this day how I spotted him... perhaps I could have had a use in the Battle of Brtain.
Don't know to this day how I spotted him... perhaps I could have had a use in the Battle of Brtain.
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I'm still a student, and soon to start first X-country's...
It's interesting to read the posts about the close encounters...
As all of my flying to date has either been in the training area near Wycombe, and in the circuit, I can't yet really imagine what it is like to fly alone in the Open FIR.
I am already pretty paranoid and try to keep a very sharp lookout - which I suppose is no bad thing...
Until reading this thread though, I took comfort in the idea that there was a LARS service to take advantage of for extra protection.
Now, I must admit, I'm worried again! Sounds like military a/c and other Sunday flyers are forever popping up out of nowhere!?
So, can someone tell me what it's really like?
Andy
It's interesting to read the posts about the close encounters...
As all of my flying to date has either been in the training area near Wycombe, and in the circuit, I can't yet really imagine what it is like to fly alone in the Open FIR.
I am already pretty paranoid and try to keep a very sharp lookout - which I suppose is no bad thing...
Until reading this thread though, I took comfort in the idea that there was a LARS service to take advantage of for extra protection.
Now, I must admit, I'm worried again! Sounds like military a/c and other Sunday flyers are forever popping up out of nowhere!?
So, can someone tell me what it's really like?
Andy
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Aussie Andy:
When flying from Wycombe, if going South talk to Farnborough (excellent LARS 7 days a week). If going West, talk to Benson (weekdays) or Brize (weekends). If going North/local training area, Brize will cover you as far North as Daventry.
If going East, try Thames Radar, but not till
you are East of Elstree.
Above all, keep a good lookout - especially in the local training area and to the North
of the TMA (Denham, Elstree, Bovingdon area
can be very busy).
By the way, which Club are you at? (I fly the G-WAC_ aeroplanes)
When flying from Wycombe, if going South talk to Farnborough (excellent LARS 7 days a week). If going West, talk to Benson (weekdays) or Brize (weekends). If going North/local training area, Brize will cover you as far North as Daventry.
If going East, try Thames Radar, but not till
you are East of Elstree.
Above all, keep a good lookout - especially in the local training area and to the North
of the TMA (Denham, Elstree, Bovingdon area
can be very busy).
By the way, which Club are you at? (I fly the G-WAC_ aeroplanes)
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Wycombe:
Thanks - very helpful and much appreciated...
I fly with BA Flying Club in PA-38's (e.g G-BMXL, G-EORG, G-BMVL, G-BMVM) - usually on Saturday mornings/afternoons... no doubt will cu in the circuit!? I like BAFC very much - how is WAC? Respond by email if you prefer...
Andy
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Thanks - very helpful and much appreciated...
I fly with BA Flying Club in PA-38's (e.g G-BMXL, G-EORG, G-BMVL, G-BMVM) - usually on Saturday mornings/afternoons... no doubt will cu in the circuit!? I like BAFC very much - how is WAC? Respond by email if you prefer...
Andy
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Aussie Andy, don't panic, it's not that bad! Just keep your eyes outside as much as is practicable and listen to other people's position reports and try to keep a mental picture of their positions if they are in your area. It'll soon click and you'll wonder what you were ever worried about.
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I was on my way to Belgium routing LAM – DVR – KOK at 2200’. I have passed Canterbury and changed frequency to London Inf. and was told ‘ No known traffic to effect you’ which means very little as they have no radar,very busy and trying to do their best! Approx. 4 miles DME from DVR the windscreen was full
with a DC-8. I called London Inf. with my newly acquired highe pitch voice(other than my heart all bits were in place). By the time that it took me to finished my 360 (in order to avoid any vortex)the DC-8 was on his final approch to Manston and London Inf. asked me if I am not inside Manston ATZ as they have a DC-8 on a touch & go.
I wasn’t inside, I was on the DVR 307R.
I don’t know how close we were but it was very unpleasant.
Flying to Brighton over a Saturday enjoying the bleu clear sky and following the cost after circling the Isle of White.
I called the tower passed my position and was instructed to join and call overhead at 2000'. As I listened for a while I knew that there were traffic and another 2 aircraft joining from different directions but with THE SAME INSTRUCTIONS!.
Approx. 1-1.5 miles away from the overhead I heard the second aircraft, a Fuji, calling for the overhead, I was the next.
Knowing that there is no other a/c for the overhead I have allowed myself to relax and started my approch checks. Arriving to the overhead on the R/W heading I made my call and turn left over the live side in order to possion my self for a dead side descent. The tower instructed me to follow the Fuji. Seconds later, a red nosed aircraft passed about 30’ above us arriving from my 11 O’clock.
The tower was not impressed with me as I have followed a tail dragger. I never saw a Fuji before and didn't know how they look like(Fuji is a film, isn’t it?)so I followed the nearest a/c in the circuit.
Twenty min. later, after paying our respect to the local W.C and while having our tea and sandwiches a red nosed a/c taxied in and two brave pilots wearing flying suits (and I think helmets as well) climbed out. You have guessed, it was the Fuji!
Luckily enough, under these situations (and I know that all of you will have a go at me) I never keep the alt. This time it saved my wife’s and my life!
The moral of the story is that you can never win. You must be on your guard at all times.
Any spelling mistakes, please complain to the Spell Checker.
with a DC-8. I called London Inf. with my newly acquired highe pitch voice(other than my heart all bits were in place). By the time that it took me to finished my 360 (in order to avoid any vortex)the DC-8 was on his final approch to Manston and London Inf. asked me if I am not inside Manston ATZ as they have a DC-8 on a touch & go.
I wasn’t inside, I was on the DVR 307R.
I don’t know how close we were but it was very unpleasant.
Flying to Brighton over a Saturday enjoying the bleu clear sky and following the cost after circling the Isle of White.
I called the tower passed my position and was instructed to join and call overhead at 2000'. As I listened for a while I knew that there were traffic and another 2 aircraft joining from different directions but with THE SAME INSTRUCTIONS!.
Approx. 1-1.5 miles away from the overhead I heard the second aircraft, a Fuji, calling for the overhead, I was the next.
Knowing that there is no other a/c for the overhead I have allowed myself to relax and started my approch checks. Arriving to the overhead on the R/W heading I made my call and turn left over the live side in order to possion my self for a dead side descent. The tower instructed me to follow the Fuji. Seconds later, a red nosed aircraft passed about 30’ above us arriving from my 11 O’clock.
The tower was not impressed with me as I have followed a tail dragger. I never saw a Fuji before and didn't know how they look like(Fuji is a film, isn’t it?)so I followed the nearest a/c in the circuit.
Twenty min. later, after paying our respect to the local W.C and while having our tea and sandwiches a red nosed a/c taxied in and two brave pilots wearing flying suits (and I think helmets as well) climbed out. You have guessed, it was the Fuji!
Luckily enough, under these situations (and I know that all of you will have a go at me) I never keep the alt. This time it saved my wife’s and my life!
The moral of the story is that you can never win. You must be on your guard at all times.
Any spelling mistakes, please complain to the Spell Checker.
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Andy...
Don't forget that pilots love to exchange yarns.
As LnS said things aren't that bad!
First lesson in Xcountry... if you listen to all the "experts" at the Club (or forum) bar you would never go anywhere!
Prob 30 CB... stay on the ground!
France... cross the channel
Blah Blah Blah...
Personally I just go for it!
Don't forget that pilots love to exchange yarns.
As LnS said things aren't that bad!
First lesson in Xcountry... if you listen to all the "experts" at the Club (or forum) bar you would never go anywhere!
Prob 30 CB... stay on the ground!
France... cross the channel
Blah Blah Blah...
Personally I just go for it!
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Wycombe, Beagler, Low'n'Slow... thanks heaps for your encouragement! This forum is worth it's weight in gold!
I don't get put of too easy anyway :-)
Wycombe: Maybe we should share a ride some day? Drop me an email (click above this) and we can figure out how to meet up at WAP some time?
Andy
I don't get put of too easy anyway :-)
Wycombe: Maybe we should share a ride some day? Drop me an email (click above this) and we can figure out how to meet up at WAP some time?
Andy
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Just heard that Dunsfold LARS is about to close! This puts extra pressure on an already overloaded Farnborogh. Where will it stop? Does nobody else care that there is nobody watching out for them IMC outside CAS? I don't suppose that a prang between two private flights makes the news, so there is no pressure to try to prevent one.
