BAC Strikemaster.
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BAC Strikemaster.
Anyone here own/fly a BAC Strkemaster?
I am after info on the following:
i) What is costs £/Hour to fly?. .ii) Rough idea of a monthly budget fo standing order.. .iii) Any known problems/items to check have been carried out when looking at one?. .iv) Any general experiences in flying/owning a Strikemaster.. .v) Anyone website/owner clubs that are around?
Regards,. .Julian.
I am after info on the following:
i) What is costs £/Hour to fly?. .ii) Rough idea of a monthly budget fo standing order.. .iii) Any known problems/items to check have been carried out when looking at one?. .iv) Any general experiences in flying/owning a Strikemaster.. .v) Anyone website/owner clubs that are around?
Regards,. .Julian.
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I`m sure I read an article in one of the mags within the last year or two about a Strikemaster and when you add up all the costs it worked out at about £1000 per hour all in for about 50 hours per year.. .Sorry you asked?
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As a Strikemaster is just a slightly updated JP, Shirley any of the JP Groups around could offer advice, or am I just stating the obvious???!!
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I have a share in a JP5A based at Blackpool.. .Shares available.. .Uses 3 gallons a minute of jet A1.. .We took the aircraft to Humberside (global aviation)last week for the annual check on the ejector seats and there was a hangar full of JP's including a Strikemaster.
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A minor word of caution regarding the Strikemaster. Being a war machine rather than a trainer, some of the student-friendly features of the JP5 were not included. The Strikemaster spin can be unpredictable and has resulted in a number of ejections (or worse) over the years. The JP5 has spin strakes and roughened leading edges and is much more docile when spinning (I know a man who did a twenty plus turn spin in a '5 just for the fun of it). The JP3 and 4 were also docile in the spin as long as you didn't still have fuel in the tips.
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Cost of JP5A is circa £65,000. .We pay (5 in group)£80 p.m.and if any large bills come in we pay a fifth.Annual bills would be paid by the member as a %of his flying hrs that year.i.e if you don't fly it you should't be subsidising the other guys for the check on the seats,annual etc.. .Hourly cost is fuel only which is very very expensive due to the rate it consumes it.Fuel is 180 galls p.h.which is £245 if Jet a1 is 30p per litre
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Julian,
I suggest you contact John Romain at Duxford. He looks after a couple of Strikemasters and will be able to give you chapter and verse on the running costs.. .I am a member of Seagull, a 14 man syndicate based at Cranfield which operates a Mk3 and a Mk5;I also own a small share in a Vampire T11. have flown 105 hours -(150 sorties) in the past two years, so you can see that the average trip is approximately 40 minutes. The average low-level fuel burn for the 3 at 180 kts is 20lbs per minute. At the same power setting the 5 will be doing 240kts and consuming 25lbs per minute. The thing to bear in mind is that if you open the throttle on the 5 at low level you will be doing 350 kts and burning 55 lbs per minute (31 litres!). Jets are much more fuel-efficient at altitude, however, and the Mk5 will consume a mere 15lbs (8.5 litres) per minute at 25,000 feet for a TAS of 245kts. Happily, coming down hill is even cheaper - with airbrakes out, 200 kts and 70% rpm the 5 will travel 26 miles for a fuel burn of 76 lbs in 6.5 minutes (11.7 lbs per minute).. .Sadly, because these mahines are restricted to day VFR, the opportunities in this country to fly high are fairly limited, so most sorties are relatively low level (where the economy cruise on the 5 is also pretty much the speed limit!). Therefore, work on an average of 25lbs or £4.25 per minute at 30ppl for the 5 or £3.40 for the 3.Add about a third to the Mk5 fuel burn for the Strikemaster and you should be about right.. .Our annual maintenance, hangarage and insurance are approximately £15,000 per aircraft which would be similar for a Strikemaster. So you can see that if I had owned and flown the 5 on my own for the past two years, I would have spent £26,775 on fuel and £30,000 on fixed costs which comes to a grand total of £540 per hour - and that's averaging 52 hours per annum!. .We, however, pay £250 ppm and fuel only on top which means that my flying comes down to a mere £340 pph - but it really is the most fun you can have with your clothes on!. .PS . .shares are available at £10,000 up to a max. of 15 members and the price includes full conversion training. Go on, sell that one to the wife!
I suggest you contact John Romain at Duxford. He looks after a couple of Strikemasters and will be able to give you chapter and verse on the running costs.. .I am a member of Seagull, a 14 man syndicate based at Cranfield which operates a Mk3 and a Mk5;I also own a small share in a Vampire T11. have flown 105 hours -(150 sorties) in the past two years, so you can see that the average trip is approximately 40 minutes. The average low-level fuel burn for the 3 at 180 kts is 20lbs per minute. At the same power setting the 5 will be doing 240kts and consuming 25lbs per minute. The thing to bear in mind is that if you open the throttle on the 5 at low level you will be doing 350 kts and burning 55 lbs per minute (31 litres!). Jets are much more fuel-efficient at altitude, however, and the Mk5 will consume a mere 15lbs (8.5 litres) per minute at 25,000 feet for a TAS of 245kts. Happily, coming down hill is even cheaper - with airbrakes out, 200 kts and 70% rpm the 5 will travel 26 miles for a fuel burn of 76 lbs in 6.5 minutes (11.7 lbs per minute).. .Sadly, because these mahines are restricted to day VFR, the opportunities in this country to fly high are fairly limited, so most sorties are relatively low level (where the economy cruise on the 5 is also pretty much the speed limit!). Therefore, work on an average of 25lbs or £4.25 per minute at 30ppl for the 5 or £3.40 for the 3.Add about a third to the Mk5 fuel burn for the Strikemaster and you should be about right.. .Our annual maintenance, hangarage and insurance are approximately £15,000 per aircraft which would be similar for a Strikemaster. So you can see that if I had owned and flown the 5 on my own for the past two years, I would have spent £26,775 on fuel and £30,000 on fixed costs which comes to a grand total of £540 per hour - and that's averaging 52 hours per annum!. .We, however, pay £250 ppm and fuel only on top which means that my flying comes down to a mere £340 pph - but it really is the most fun you can have with your clothes on!. .PS . .shares are available at £10,000 up to a max. of 15 members and the price includes full conversion training. Go on, sell that one to the wife!
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Apruneuk,
Thanks for the comprehensive info. A couple of us are looking into the Sm or the JP5A (as someone already mentioned) as an alternative to a twin - £350 certainly makes it very attractive!
Luckily I dont have a wife to deal with, only a long standing (suffering!?!) girlfriend.
Julian.
Thanks for the comprehensive info. A couple of us are looking into the Sm or the JP5A (as someone already mentioned) as an alternative to a twin - £350 certainly makes it very attractive!
Luckily I dont have a wife to deal with, only a long standing (suffering!?!) girlfriend.
Julian.
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I am trying to set up a group of around 10 + on either a Vamp T55, JP or strike master or an L29 which ive been looking at I currently have 4 confirmed with a couple more possibles. One of them is a jet instructor, and i might be able to get another. If you would like to consider joining up to make 5 confirmed just email me
