FOOT AND MOUTH - CLOSURE OF GRASS STRIPS
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On the subject, why is Kidlington still operating? The fields just North of the runway have had "No Entry / F&M Infected" signs up for almost a week. [I don't fly there, but do drive past it most days.]
I really would like to know what's going on there.
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I really would like to know what's going on there.
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Are you sure there is an infected farm there? Most of the farms in my neck of the woods have notices up but there is hardly any livestock in the area let alone any notified outbreaks. I can't see any TRAs in the 51 50N 001 19W vicinity. I think it is likely to be simply the farmer taking sensible precautions.
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Cahlibahn, that sounds about right - as far as I am aware the closest confirmed outbreak to Oxford at the moment is Chesterton near Bicester.
Full sympathy for farmers at this time - us hot-air pilots are heavily dependant on their goodwill for our activities and you'll no doubt also be aware of the cessation of our flying together with that of gliding and the other field-to-field arial sports. I assume our near continental friends are under similar restrictions? Anyone know?
Full sympathy for farmers at this time - us hot-air pilots are heavily dependant on their goodwill for our activities and you'll no doubt also be aware of the cessation of our flying together with that of gliding and the other field-to-field arial sports. I assume our near continental friends are under similar restrictions? Anyone know?
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Just how does an aircraft landing on a grass strip cause contamination? Unless it has rolled from an infected piece of grass and landed on another farm with livestock in the field it is hard to understand how it can be any worse than cars driving down the local roads. Is there a bit of overreaction creeping in here?
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I want to fly from grass. I'm not stupid or senseless. Therefore my machine MUST be scrupulously clean AND be sprayed with disinfectant. Yes, I'll even take the spats off, and avoid grass strip to grass strip trips.
A simple question.
What concentration of disinfectant should I use in my spray dispenser?
A simple question.
What concentration of disinfectant should I use in my spray dispenser?
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http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/disea...sinfectant.htm
Tells you everything that you should need to know.
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Tells you everything that you should need to know.
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Thanks for that Genghis - I was in the process of composing something concerning the type of disinfectants to be used when you beat me to it.
DO NOT THINK THAT ORDINARY DOMESTIC DISINFECTANTS ARE SUITABLE - THEY'RE NOT.
Only approved products made up in the correct dilutions should be used for F&M disinfection purposes. These are very powerful (and expensive) products which are in extremely short supply in some parts of the country.
Please don't go flying whilst this disease remains active - if any form of aircraft landed on any of my family members' land at the moment, I have no doubt it would end up in flames.
DO NOT THINK THAT ORDINARY DOMESTIC DISINFECTANTS ARE SUITABLE - THEY'RE NOT.
Only approved products made up in the correct dilutions should be used for F&M disinfection purposes. These are very powerful (and expensive) products which are in extremely short supply in some parts of the country.
Please don't go flying whilst this disease remains active - if any form of aircraft landed on any of my family members' land at the moment, I have no doubt it would end up in flames.
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Can someone (aviator, farmer, aviating farmer, farming aviator, or even Zlin526 
) explain why a height exclusion zone is warranted?
Is this vius airborne? If so, how will height restrictions prevent its spread bearing in mind the general air mass movement over the whole country, and the spread by birds?
Can't say I've heard any discussion on that particular aspect of the subject in the media.
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) explain why a height exclusion zone is warranted?Is this vius airborne? If so, how will height restrictions prevent its spread bearing in mind the general air mass movement over the whole country, and the spread by birds?
Can't say I've heard any discussion on that particular aspect of the subject in the media.
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I think that the general consesus is that the TRAs are there to keep out those members of the press who might wish to charter a helicopter and snap some nasty pictures of affected farms.
The virus is certainly capable of being airborne. The 1981 outbreak on the IoW is believed to have 'blown in' from Brittany
The virus is certainly capable of being airborne. The 1981 outbreak on the IoW is believed to have 'blown in' from Brittany
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Pilots pal dont you think that setting fire to aircraft is a bit over the top after all you dont know its origin and most airfields have no contact with livestock.
I can see the point in not flying from farms but licenced airfields should not be a problem.
I can see the point in not flying from farms but licenced airfields should not be a problem.
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I've lost the reference, but I read somewhere that it can spread 60km overland by wind and 300km over sea by wind. So, presumably they want us out of the boundary layer where it is likely to be.
Personally I'm flying between my airfield and the next one, about 6 miles away - with main roads and arable land in between. Anything longer can wait. My circuits are wonderful at the moment, and my air display practice is going well.
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Personally I'm flying between my airfield and the next one, about 6 miles away - with main roads and arable land in between. Anything longer can wait. My circuits are wonderful at the moment, and my air display practice is going well.
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Whatever you might think, do not underestimate the lengths to which farmers will go to protect their livestock and their family's livelihood. I know of farmers right now who are shooting all stray dogs, cats and foxes found on their land without a moment's hesitation.
It is perfectly possible for a light aircraft unknowingly to fly over a pig unit where the disease is in course of incubation - pigs being the greatest producers of the virus. If an aircraft should have the misfortune of an engine failure and is obliged to make a forced landing on the most convenient piece of land in sight, given present circumstances few livestock farmers are going to view the pilot's pride and joy as anything other than yet another potential source of infection.
Incidentally, I wonder how many licenced airfields do not have agricultural livestock within a couple of miles?
Whatever you might think, do not underestimate the lengths to which farmers will go to protect their livestock and their family's livelihood. I know of farmers right now who are shooting all stray dogs, cats and foxes found on their land without a moment's hesitation.
It is perfectly possible for a light aircraft unknowingly to fly over a pig unit where the disease is in course of incubation - pigs being the greatest producers of the virus. If an aircraft should have the misfortune of an engine failure and is obliged to make a forced landing on the most convenient piece of land in sight, given present circumstances few livestock farmers are going to view the pilot's pride and joy as anything other than yet another potential source of infection.
Incidentally, I wonder how many licenced airfields do not have agricultural livestock within a couple of miles?
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Time to get a sense of proportion guys! I am happy to stay out of the (200+) foot and mouth exclusion zones, and to refrain from using farm strips, for the duration, but the implied suggestion in some previous posts that we should otherwise curtail flying is just plain ludicrous. How can an aircraft passing 1500ft above farm land represent a significant transmission risk? If the disease can be transported by the wind anyway, the presence of an aircraft in the airmass is going to make d@mn-all difference. Passing cars, or even trains, must pose at least as great a hazard, and are frequently MUCH closer to livestock. In any case, it appears that nearly all the transmission in practice has been animal to animal. My view is - stay away from the infected farms, stay off farm strips, and then enjoy your flying with a clear conscience.
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I have always made sure to comply with all the F&M restrictions and fully support all the actions that the MAFF have taken but the news that farmers are likely to destroy property at will is at odds with what i know of most of the farming comunity.
If an individual takes such aciton then i trust he will encounter the full weight of the law.
If an individual takes such aciton then i trust he will encounter the full weight of the law.
