IR for people that don't want to become professional pilots.
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Yes, you are right. So that is another $300 isn't it?
But you don't need a second fingerprinting session.
The main thing about the FAA route is that it is made up of a number of little bits which are relatively much easier to slot into one's life, than the JAA IR.
But you don't need a second fingerprinting session.
The main thing about the FAA route is that it is made up of a number of little bits which are relatively much easier to slot into one's life, than the JAA IR.
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Oh yes, I remember. The first school I registered with was a Part 61 so could not generate the I-20 so I could not get the Visa, so I had to pay a second TSA fee, this time for the Part 141 school. Then this school sent the I-20 to the home of the UK instructor dealing with them (would never talk to me direct) and as he was away this got lost. IIRC I then had to pay 3rd time, or something like that... One has to follow the checklist which I believe is posted in one of the stickies on this forum.
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Yes you can. A well known forumite here converted his FAA CPL/IR into (what became) a JAA one via Hungary; that route closed last summer.
There are other options like that which I know about, but are either a load of hassle, or you need a "relationship" with a commercial operator of that country. The "relationship" bit is doable by e.g. going to that country and becoming an instructor there, or flying for some operation that operates a plane registered in that country. Obviously having one's ear on the ground helps, as these things are never advertised.
The challenge is finding a country which will let you do that and then become a JAR-FCL country. Not many options left.
If I knew of an easy way I would not be posting it because that CAA would be inundated
But it is clear there used to be very easy ways; often involving Canadian and Irish intermediate steps. And curiously much easier for an ATP than for anything below that, although an ICAO PPL is still being validated by some non-JAA countries directly (for what that is worth; the official JAA route is only 3 exams once you have 100hrs TT).
There are other options like that which I know about, but are either a load of hassle, or you need a "relationship" with a commercial operator of that country. The "relationship" bit is doable by e.g. going to that country and becoming an instructor there, or flying for some operation that operates a plane registered in that country. Obviously having one's ear on the ground helps, as these things are never advertised.
The challenge is finding a country which will let you do that and then become a JAR-FCL country. Not many options left.
If I knew of an easy way I would not be posting it because that CAA would be inundated
But it is clear there used to be very easy ways; often involving Canadian and Irish intermediate steps. And curiously much easier for an ATP than for anything below that, although an ICAO PPL is still being validated by some non-JAA countries directly (for what that is worth; the official JAA route is only 3 exams once you have 100hrs TT).
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Yes you can. A well known forumite here converted his FAA CPL/IR into (what became) a JAA one via Hungary; that route closed last summer.
Hungary have never converted FAA CPL/IR into JAA ones. As I have posted in the past they issued a CMC (Crew Member Certificate) that validated an ICAO CPL/IR for use in Hg registered aircraft. Hg have been a JAA member since virtually the start although they did struggle with FCL1 compliance for a long time as they had to issue CMC's in order to get enough pilots and the JAA Inspection teams did not like this (despite it being ICAO compliant). Now that they are FCL1 compliant CMC' certificates are no longer issued and the current ones will expire this summer. After that you will need a Hg JAA CPL or other JAA CPL FCL licence to fly Hg registered aircraft commercially. Other ICAO licences will be validated automatically for private VFR flight the same as the UK does.
If you want/wanted a full Hg CPL/IR then you must sit the JAA CPL/IR exams and take a flight test with a Hg CAA Staff Examiner (same as the UK CAA). What holding an ICAO CPL/IR did credit you for was not having to do any compulsory training and if flying a type rated aircraft you were allowed to take the test as part of an LPC (but still with Hg CAA Staff Examiners).
I would suggest you stop making yourself look like a prat and perpetuating myths and rumours that are completely untrue. Stick to pontificating about the FAA system Peter. You stand less chance of getting caught out.
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Not sure that is quite the full history of Hungarian FCL procedures 
(and Hungary used to be a popular destination for large numbers of JAA airline pilot candidates looking for a CV test they could pass) but as I say it is "history" so hardly important now.
It was relevant to mention this in the context. The FAA IR is a good route to various other things - more so for someone moving about the place.
(and Hungary used to be a popular destination for large numbers of JAA airline pilot candidates looking for a CV test they could pass) but as I say it is "history" so hardly important now.It was relevant to mention this in the context. The FAA IR is a good route to various other things - more so for someone moving about the place.
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Bose - you do seem to be quite an expert on these procedures - do you speak from personal experience?
Peter, to use one of your favourite sayings please provide documentary proof about Hg procedures. Once again I know for a fact that Hg CAA requirements are full JAR FCL 3 compliant and so CV standards are the same as the rest of the JAA countries.
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It is cheaper and quicker to put our aeroplane on the n reg than for me to convert to jaa. As the co owner has nothing and wants to do an ir then it makes it far cheaper still. We then also benefit from faa maintenance (ie no calendar time for the 50 hr checks) and cheaper and easier avionics installations.
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Bose
So have you given up diving and consultancy now - I am confused.
I know you were in charge of an organisation with 600 odd employees and involved with special mixes and spent some time backwards and forwards to the CIs. Are you just concentrating on trying to make a career out of flying?
So have you given up diving and consultancy now - I am confused.
I know you were in charge of an organisation with 600 odd employees and involved with special mixes and spent some time backwards and forwards to the CIs. Are you just concentrating on trying to make a career out of flying?
