"Failed stunt causes crash" ...
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: uk
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Again a very sad loss of life that like most of these incidents is completely avoidable. I think that is shows massive disrespect by pilots who continually ignore rules and regulations set out for one reason only. Safety.....
I think the important point in the report pointing out the likely lapse of certs by leaving the flying school and a proper licensed airfield. My view is that these little flying sites need to be properly regulated or closed. There are to many of you out there willing to take risks and show off well beyond your skill level or the ability of the aircraft.
I remember a while back an airfield not far from the location of this crash. A plane took off with no transponder switched on and crashed into a plane minding its own.
Like drivers of cars with no insurance that take risks and drivers who show off and crash. Please please fly within your limits or not at all.
I think the important point in the report pointing out the likely lapse of certs by leaving the flying school and a proper licensed airfield. My view is that these little flying sites need to be properly regulated or closed. There are to many of you out there willing to take risks and show off well beyond your skill level or the ability of the aircraft.
I remember a while back an airfield not far from the location of this crash. A plane took off with no transponder switched on and crashed into a plane minding its own.
Like drivers of cars with no insurance that take risks and drivers who show off and crash. Please please fly within your limits or not at all.
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: The frozen north....
Age: 49
Posts: 547
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
"I think the important point in the report pointing out the likely lapse of certs by leaving the flying school and a proper licensed airfield. My view is that these little flying sites need to be properly regulated or closed."
Utter balls, I own my own aircraft and keep it at a licensed airfield and no-one has ever asked to see either my aircrafts certs or mine, makes no difference where it is located.
"I remember a while back an airfield not far from the location of this crash. A plane took off with no transponder switched on and crashed into a plane minding its own."
So what about non-transponder equipped aircraft? Are you suggesting they be banned from the skies also? Under a basic service, transponder or not you still have a responsability to SEE and AVOID other aircraft.
Never heard such rubbish in my life.
Utter balls, I own my own aircraft and keep it at a licensed airfield and no-one has ever asked to see either my aircrafts certs or mine, makes no difference where it is located.
"I remember a while back an airfield not far from the location of this crash. A plane took off with no transponder switched on and crashed into a plane minding its own."
So what about non-transponder equipped aircraft? Are you suggesting they be banned from the skies also? Under a basic service, transponder or not you still have a responsability to SEE and AVOID other aircraft.
Never heard such rubbish in my life.
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Scotland
Age: 84
Posts: 1,434
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by B.U.D.G.I.E
I think the important point in the report pointing out the likely lapse of certs by leaving the flying school and a proper licensed airfield. My view is that these little flying sites need to be properly regulated or closed. There are to many of you out there willing to take risks and show off well beyond your skill level or the ability of the aircraft.
I remember a while back an airfield not far from the location of this crash. A plane took off with no transponder switched on and crashed into a plane minding its own.
I remember a while back an airfield not far from the location of this crash. A plane took off with no transponder switched on and crashed into a plane minding its own.
I left the "sanctuary" of the flying school, bought my own a/c & operate from a grass strip, neg transponder.
I did this in an attempt to become more aware of my own responsibilities as to Go / No go, less reliant on the views of others etc.
The strip is unregulated by jobsworths, w*nkers, plonkers, morons & the like. We who are based there operate responsibly, speak to Scottish / Military as required.
So kindly get off our backs & think of some way of instilling a sense of self discipline, responsibility, common sense, etc into the pilot who may need it! Or is it easier to write another set of rules?
As has been said, you cannot legislate against those that will not listen.
They tried it with the gun laws. How many armed assaults, robberies etc are carried out using properly licenced weapons legally owned by the perpetrator?
There seems to be a number of posters who think some form of regulation is necessary here.
The regulation is already in force!!!!!
Licence Revalidation. Medical. A/C Maintenance requirements. A/C POH.
What the hell else do you need??
The only thing that may work would be total policing of airfields, licence/paperwork checks before access to your a/c. Escorted to the a/c, supervised as you pre-flight, pax checked, passports etc. Is that what you want?
A little less conversation,
a little more aviation...
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bracknell, UK
Posts: 696
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Again a very sad loss of life that like most of these incidents is completely avoidable. I think that is shows massive disrespect by pilots who continually ignore rules and regulations set out for one reason only. Safety.....
I think the important point in the report pointing out the likely lapse of certs by leaving the flying school and a proper licensed airfield. My view is that these little flying sites need to be properly regulated or closed. There are to many of you out there willing to take risks and show off well beyond your skill level or the ability of the aircraft.
I remember a while back an airfield not far from the location of this crash. A plane took off with no transponder switched on and crashed into a plane minding its own.
Like drivers of cars with no insurance that take risks and drivers who show off and crash. Please please fly within your limits or not at all.
I think the important point in the report pointing out the likely lapse of certs by leaving the flying school and a proper licensed airfield. My view is that these little flying sites need to be properly regulated or closed. There are to many of you out there willing to take risks and show off well beyond your skill level or the ability of the aircraft.
I remember a while back an airfield not far from the location of this crash. A plane took off with no transponder switched on and crashed into a plane minding its own.
Like drivers of cars with no insurance that take risks and drivers who show off and crash. Please please fly within your limits or not at all.
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Gt. Yarmouth, Norfolk
Age: 68
Posts: 799
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I remember a while back an airfield not far from the location of this crash. A plane took off with no transponder switched on and crashed into a plane minding its own.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: southeast UK
Posts: 232
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Do you get the feeling he doesn't know what a transponder is, how it functions and what its limitations are
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 115
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My simple view on the factors contributing to this accident are:
1) No licence = No flight = No accident = everyone lives = no orphans
2) No medical = No flight = No accident = everyone lives = no orphans
3) Aircraft paperwork not in order = No flight = No accident = everyone lives = no orphans
4) Aircraft in incorrect configuartion = no aerobatics\"spirited" flying = No accident = everyone lives = no orphans
The guy was out of order, knowingly breaking the rules and selfish. Whilst no one goes out to crash you must make sure that your own personel paperwork is in order, your aircraft is in good order and you fly within yours and the aircrafts limits. His neglect cost trusting two people their lives in terrible circumstances and orphaned two children.
It will be intresting to see the Insurance companies take on this, if it was indeed even insured.
Lets be realistic, any additional involvment by the CAA or worse still JAR/EASA eg some form of database, will allow them to pass on their incurred costs (plus margin) straight onto GA owners & pilots. In fact there's probably someone in a dusty office already looking at the potential revenue.
As a GA pilots we all have an enormous onus on us to ensure that any passengers we take are given a SAFE and LEGAL flight - their lives are in YOUR hands.
1) No licence = No flight = No accident = everyone lives = no orphans
2) No medical = No flight = No accident = everyone lives = no orphans
3) Aircraft paperwork not in order = No flight = No accident = everyone lives = no orphans
4) Aircraft in incorrect configuartion = no aerobatics\"spirited" flying = No accident = everyone lives = no orphans
The guy was out of order, knowingly breaking the rules and selfish. Whilst no one goes out to crash you must make sure that your own personel paperwork is in order, your aircraft is in good order and you fly within yours and the aircrafts limits. His neglect cost trusting two people their lives in terrible circumstances and orphaned two children.
It will be intresting to see the Insurance companies take on this, if it was indeed even insured.
Lets be realistic, any additional involvment by the CAA or worse still JAR/EASA eg some form of database, will allow them to pass on their incurred costs (plus margin) straight onto GA owners & pilots. In fact there's probably someone in a dusty office already looking at the potential revenue.
As a GA pilots we all have an enormous onus on us to ensure that any passengers we take are given a SAFE and LEGAL flight - their lives are in YOUR hands.
Guest
Posts: n/a
This has made me stop and reflect on some "one offs" I've been acquainted with over the years many of whom are no longer with us.
Some went alone, some took innocent lives with them. There's an AAIB report in preparation which will (I predict) reveal another one off who thought they could fly in xxxx without xxxx.
Just reflect for a minute. Do you come across someone at your field who wears the title "Most likely to be the Next"?
You do don't you. Would you the next time you see them tell them your concerns? Would you dob them into to the Air Police?
I've only ever said to one fellow club member that I didn't think they were safe and he took it quite well, although I was ready to run away. It's very difficult to confront the issue within yourself let alone with a fellow pilot.
Can peer 'regulation' play a part in safety?
Sir George Cayley
Some went alone, some took innocent lives with them. There's an AAIB report in preparation which will (I predict) reveal another one off who thought they could fly in xxxx without xxxx.
Just reflect for a minute. Do you come across someone at your field who wears the title "Most likely to be the Next"?
You do don't you. Would you the next time you see them tell them your concerns? Would you dob them into to the Air Police?
I've only ever said to one fellow club member that I didn't think they were safe and he took it quite well, although I was ready to run away. It's very difficult to confront the issue within yourself let alone with a fellow pilot.
Can peer 'regulation' play a part in safety?
Sir George Cayley
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Timbuktoo
Posts: 567
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Proplover, in some ways it's a shame he has caused so much devastation and has had an easy out. It would have been much more fitting had he survived, been severely punished and had to live with the consequences of his actions.
With so many reasons he should not have been flying it's hard to believe there are not several people knew he should not have taken to the air.
If that is the case I wonder how they feel!
With so many reasons he should not have been flying it's hard to believe there are not several people knew he should not have taken to the air.
If that is the case I wonder how they feel!
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: uk
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Proplover you have a very good point........
I see that my post has sparked some interest. Not sure what this troll thing is all about as I am neither large or green. The simple fact of the matter is that lives are being lost for no other reason than stupidity. Now I love flying as much as the next but done properly, safely and within the rules please.
Unless you have witnessed some of the stupid things that some pilots do then you may not understand where i'm coming from.
Not so long ago a pilot at an airfield in the middle of the country came back into land with twiggs stuck in the wheels of his aircraft having made an approach to a main road he mistook for the runway. Those people need removing from aviation. Maybe if you guys who think your so good should police it from the inside and report these cowboys yourself rather than thinking some one else will do it or for them to come unstuck. Something no one wants to happen.
I see that my post has sparked some interest. Not sure what this troll thing is all about as I am neither large or green. The simple fact of the matter is that lives are being lost for no other reason than stupidity. Now I love flying as much as the next but done properly, safely and within the rules please.
Unless you have witnessed some of the stupid things that some pilots do then you may not understand where i'm coming from.
Not so long ago a pilot at an airfield in the middle of the country came back into land with twiggs stuck in the wheels of his aircraft having made an approach to a main road he mistook for the runway. Those people need removing from aviation. Maybe if you guys who think your so good should police it from the inside and report these cowboys yourself rather than thinking some one else will do it or for them to come unstuck. Something no one wants to happen.
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 2,118
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Roads can indeed look like runways, as can taxiways . That is because they are all tarmac strips. I deserve to be banned for this possible confusion which I am unable to overcome, and next time I pick up a few "twiggs" in the spats after getting airborne , I will jolly well get out and remove them before I land gain.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Timbuktoo
Posts: 567
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It all comes down to self discipline - some can't and some won't entertain it.
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Scotland
Age: 84
Posts: 1,434
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by BUDGIE
Not so long ago a pilot at an airfield in the middle of the country came back into land with twiggs stuck in the wheels of his aircraft having made an approach to a main road he mistook for the runway.
I suggest, Sunshine, that you get back to your Flight Sim & leave the educated judgment to some of us who know something about flying.
If you want my opinion of that pilot's reason for the twigs it is probably because he muffed a bit of low flying & refused to admit it! Do you really believe that we are so bloody stupid that we can mistake a road for a runway? Get a grip! grow up & stop talking bull****!
& I DO NOT LIKE THE
THANK YOU!
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Timbuktoo
Posts: 567
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by englishal
It is not our job to police other pilots....else we'll end up with a load of busy bodies poking their noses in where it is not required.
How would you feel now if you had known this individual and were aware he had such an irresponsible attitude? Would you be asking yourself if you could have prevented the tragic accident?
How many times has this fellow got away with it, and had it not happened when it did, when would it have happened? It seems to me it was only a matter of time.
Do we all not have a duty to protect the unwary and to protect GA from additional red tape?
There is a big difference between 'policing' and taking positive action in cases like this.