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What happened is unfortunately clear for all to see
Sorry, is it just me who's being a bit thick here ? That's a fantastic picture above of the approach to 24 at Seething, and the airfield map is useful too, but, if anything, they have left me even more confused about what happened and how it could have happened.
I thought I'd read earlier in the thread of some sort of obstructions to the total view down this approach ( hedges, trees ?). But there simply aren't any.
If, as has been said, the tractor / sprayer was on the land to the east of the 24 threshold, in that view above how would it be possible for anyone with normal vision to miss it ?
I'm now beginning to suspect that this may be more to do with the forward views available out of different aircraft, maybe even from different seats. The view from the front seat of our C172 is just like out of a car windscreen - just like the view shown above. I've never been in anything like an Eagle, and still less in the back seat.
Can anyone with such experience confirm whether the view posted by Phil above would be available to someone in the back seat of an Eagle ?
If not - is this not now something of much more concern ?
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What happened is unfortunately clear for all to see
Sorry, is it just me who's being a bit thick here ? That's a fantastic picture above of the approach to 24 at Seething, and the airfield map is useful too, but, if anything, they have left me even more confused about what happened and how it could have happened.
I thought I'd read earlier in the thread of some sort of obstructions to the total view down this approach ( hedges, trees ?). But there simply aren't any.
If, as has been said, the tractor / sprayer was on the land to the east of the 24 threshold, in that view above how would it be possible for anyone with normal vision to miss it ?
I'm now beginning to suspect that this may be more to do with the forward views available out of different aircraft, maybe even from different seats. The view from the front seat of our C172 is just like out of a car windscreen - just like the view shown above. I've never been in anything like an Eagle, and still less in the back seat.
Can anyone with such experience confirm whether the view posted by Phil above would be available to someone in the back seat of an Eagle ?
If not - is this not now something of much more concern ?
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As an Eagle pilot said to me the other day - "if you're straight for more than 5 seconds on final, it is too long" [because you can't see anything ahead].
I did exactly the same a couple of days ago. Could not see sh*t on 25, so came into 07...
I was landing back at our place around the same time and opted to land with a tailwind because of the poor vis
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And I suspect ( barring mechanical problems uncovered by the AAIB )that Bose's conclusion on the cause of the accident is correct.
Some years ago I owned an aircraft which on initial purchase had a slightly crazed pilots screen. Visibility was fine until winter came and I found landing in to late afternoon sun nigh on impossible.
Some years ago I owned an aircraft which on initial purchase had a slightly crazed pilots screen. Visibility was fine until winter came and I found landing in to late afternoon sun nigh on impossible.
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For C172 Skywhawk - 'clear for all to see' means simply that it is obvious that tragically an aircraft struck a tractor. Nothing more, nothing less.
I then said that 'Why it happened will probably come out when the AAIB report.' So quite clearly, it is not meant as a contribution towards why the accident may have happened and you have quoted out of context.
I apologise if what I said sounded ambiguous or confusing.
I then said that 'Why it happened will probably come out when the AAIB report.' So quite clearly, it is not meant as a contribution towards why the accident may have happened and you have quoted out of context.
I apologise if what I said sounded ambiguous or confusing.
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But the subject and the threads never come up when AAIB reports are issued and we could actually learn something.
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C172 Hawk XP- 'clear for all to see' means simply that it is obvious that tragically an aircraft struck a tractor. Nothing more, nothing less.
We are not disagreeing ! !
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This may have been posted already but in memory of Ian his family has asked for donations to the East Anglian Air Ambulance - write a note saying it is in memory of Ian with your BIG cheque. Also, Pilot Mag are thinking of a lasting a fitting way for us to never forget Ian. RIP mate - I will always remember standing at Old Buck with you and Josh watching a Spitfire do a low pass....
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Sad news from todays Eastern Daily Press
EDP24 - Second flyer dies from air tragedy
EDP24 - Second flyer dies from air tragedy
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It appears pressure to get pictures for a flying magazine led to this fatal accident.
To be fair, the report does imply that that was involved. Although apparently the accident was on the landing run, so it seems the breaking of the low-flying rules did not directly contribute.
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It appears pressure to get pictures for a flying magazine led to this fatal accident.
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It appears pressure to get pictures for a flying magazine led to this fatal accident.
If you don't have anything useful to say I suggest you shut the f*ck up.
People are entitled to an opinion and reading the report I could see where P's view came from.
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the report does imply that that was involved.
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The report did state that low flying had taken place in contravention of the club's rules and I'm sure the ANO. The photgrapher was also in place at the side of the runway as the aircraft approached.
I suspect the captains inexperience on type would not have helped.
I suspect the captains inexperience on type would not have helped.
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I lost my best friend and formation display partner in this accident and knew very well the "pilot/author". I also know the third victim, the sprayer driver.
The AAIB report was made available to certain interested parties in draft format earlier this summer and we were able to comment upon it - it appear that these changes have in the main been incorporated in the report.
I believe that the AAIB guys have produced a very fair, sensitive and empathetic report.
From my perspective and I am better informed than most who will comment on this thread, that there are no safety recommendations really reinforces that this was a tragic accident. A couple of seconds either way and I'd be having a beer in the pub with him tonight.
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The AAIB report was made available to certain interested parties in draft format earlier this summer and we were able to comment upon it - it appear that these changes have in the main been incorporated in the report.
I believe that the AAIB guys have produced a very fair, sensitive and empathetic report.
From my perspective and I am better informed than most who will comment on this thread, that there are no safety recommendations really reinforces that this was a tragic accident. A couple of seconds either way and I'd be having a beer in the pub with him tonight.
Al Coutts
As one aim of the flight was to get photographs of the aircraft landing, and the photographer had moved closer to the runway threshold for the second approach, there would have been a desire on the part of the crew to avoid landing a long way up the runway a second time. This may have caused the crew to modify their next circuit.