Deham crash yesterday
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Ok then...
Advice: Do not apply forward pressure to the control column if you bounce - go around!!
Comfort: There, there.
VFE.
Advice: Do not apply forward pressure to the control column if you bounce - go around!!
Comfort: There, there.
VFE.
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Having spoken to the people at the field, the pilot and his Pax walked away unscathed and the pilot himself was the 1st to put his hands up and say that in retrospect, he couldn't understand why he hadn't chosen to go around, given the 'picture' obviously wasn't right.
The way the circuit seems to work at Denham is that, unless you're training and in the circuit, you're encouraged to go back out of the circuit and re-enter from Maple X or Chalfont st Giles. This makes a go-around a 15 minute exercise.
If you are renting an a/c at £200p/h, I can see the temptation to try and make a fist of an imperfect landing, rather than spending an extra £50 on a go-around.
An unfortunate by-product of rising fuel prices, perhaps?
The way the circuit seems to work at Denham is that, unless you're training and in the circuit, you're encouraged to go back out of the circuit and re-enter from Maple X or Chalfont st Giles. This makes a go-around a 15 minute exercise.
If you are renting an a/c at £200p/h, I can see the temptation to try and make a fist of an imperfect landing, rather than spending an extra £50 on a go-around.
An unfortunate by-product of rising fuel prices, perhaps?
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An extract from the article in the Buck Advertiser;
"The plane came to the ground a mere 400 yards from the Wyatts Covert caravan site, which consists of 80 homes and houses an estimated 150 people.
A resident of the site, who asked not to be named, said: "The plane came down very close to these houses. It is really worrying and frightening that if it had been slightly closer it could easily have crashed into these houses and a lot of people could have been killed.
"The planes at the aerodrome should keep to their flight paths and make completely sure that they are getting their landings right, because if they get it wrong here there is more than just the pilot's life at risk."
Other than the usual journalistic "aircraft plummeting into primary school full of puppies" schtick, one has to question the sanity of this particular resident...
"The plane came to the ground a mere 400 yards from the Wyatts Covert caravan site, which consists of 80 homes and houses an estimated 150 people.
A resident of the site, who asked not to be named, said: "The plane came down very close to these houses. It is really worrying and frightening that if it had been slightly closer it could easily have crashed into these houses and a lot of people could have been killed.
"The planes at the aerodrome should keep to their flight paths and make completely sure that they are getting their landings right, because if they get it wrong here there is more than just the pilot's life at risk."
Other than the usual journalistic "aircraft plummeting into primary school full of puppies" schtick, one has to question the sanity of this particular resident...
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I think that this part is quite funny:
"The planes at the aerodrome should keep to their flight paths and make completely sure that they are getting their landings right, because if they get it wrong here there is more than just the pilot's life at risk."
It's almost like the witness thinks that pilots make errors on purpose for fun
"The planes at the aerodrome should keep to their flight paths and make completely sure that they are getting their landings right, because if they get it wrong here there is more than just the pilot's life at risk."
It's almost like the witness thinks that pilots make errors on purpose for fun
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Did my training in - G-TAAA, imagine TAA are not best pleased but at least the guys are ok, must be quite a responsibility running a flight school and even worse if people injured.
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007, you might like to put that question to a bloke from Blackpool if you ever bump into him...
And to italianjon, I ask, if you...
then may I enquire where I can go to be thoroughly trained in 'being a little more respectful of what I'm doing'?
I'm no fan at all of the 'experience = ability' brigade, but neither can I accept the proposal of safeguards which are patently unworkable.
And to italianjon, I ask, if you...
believe that we just have to recognise that if we fly less we need to be a little more respectful of what we're doing
I'm no fan at all of the 'experience = ability' brigade, but neither can I accept the proposal of safeguards which are patently unworkable.
The way the circuit seems to work at Denham is that, unless you're training and in the circuit, you're encouraged to go back out of the circuit and re-enter from Maple X or Chalfont st Giles. This makes a go-around a 15 minute exercise.
There's a gravel pit which clearly defines the northern boundary of the circuit pattern.
The suggestion that any pilot's first thought when making a mess of an approach would be "I don't want to spend any more money", is also nonsense.
John & Wendy are very upset at loosing their "baby", their first Cirrus, but the pilot concerned has learnt his lesson and will be a better pilot for it.
I'm told that he was even permitted to rent TAA's other 20 a few days later, after a check ride of course.
Any pilot who claims that this won't ever happen to him is in for a rude awakening!
(No, I don't know the pilot concerned, but I am a customer of TAA)
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I've cocked-up at Denham on one or two occasions. It isn't a difficult airfield but it can bite very quickly if you haven't got a firm plan. I've sat Northside and watched a high number of aircraft approach 'hot', hearing to the squeal of tyres as pilots step on the pedals. To me, it is the sort of airfield where you fly the POH speeds, no more. Obviously, I haven't a clue whether speed was actually an issue in this incident so my comments are not specific.
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Can I just ask one question:Where in the name of Hades does this term "hot" come from and what does it mean????VFE.
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Come on VFE, have you never had a student come down the slot like a balistic missile with no hope of getting the landing anywhere in the aerodrome?
Hot is the term used to indicate a warhead is live on a missile, ballistic missile approach, hence hot......
Hot is the term used to indicate a warhead is live on a missile, ballistic missile approach, hence hot......